Yeah, I mean, apparently just by using some better silicon they were able to take a tbird to 1.7 ghz with just a heatsink attached, so I really can't wait for them to switch to 0.13 microns...couple that with the new silicon (though i don't think they'd use it for mainstream anufacturing, err, maybe they will, this is only heresay) and that's some stratospheric speeds... Though i'd be really interested in a 0.13 micron duron...