Pakistani troops retake naval base from militants

[Zebo]

Actually the Pressler ammendment was enacted in 1985. Please check your facts.

Glenn amendment was when real money was cut off.

http://armscontrolcenter.org/policy/nonproliferation/articles/india_pakistan_sanctions/

 

[busydude]

Kind of like how IITs compete with harvard/mit when they have 1/1000th the funding.

IITs represent the pinnacle of our cookie cutter style of education... there is a reason most of them either go to study in IIMs or to the US.

 

[JTsyo]

Are you this fucking dense you sack of shit? Did you learn that at your bible-thumping boy-humping shit-hole school?

Your worthless ancestors were running around naked murdering each other when Indians were discovering the nature of reality. Read a book and get an education you inbred moron.

India split Pakistan in half in 4 days in the 1971 war. Indian air-force also handed the US air-force its ass on a platter at Operation Red Flag at Nellis in 2008; with subpar equipment too. Kind of like how IITs compete with harvard/mit when they have 1/1000th the funding.

And, you should be ashamed of denigrating the brave commandos who fought the terrorists in 2008. The local police had to deal with them for almost a day before the Army was called in. Then, 9 out of 10 of the terrorists were shot dead and the last one was captured alive. The Indian military is the 2nd largest military (by service members) in the world.

As Mark Twain said, "India is, the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."




By whom? It would be India that erases Pakistan from the map if any nukes were to go off in the neighborhood. America keeps feeding the Pakistanis with fighter jets and billions in aid. America sent its navy in the 1971 war against India in support of PakSHITstan. You forgot that Indira Gandhi gave Nixon the middle finger and went ahead and liberated Bangladesh? 4 days son. 4 fucking days. that's all it took for the Indian jawans (warriors) to liberate the Bangladeshis. The US Navy, with its tail between its legs, beat a hasty retreat from the Bay of Bengal.

Talk is cheap. India's military is one of the most powerful on the planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkEn26-8E_M

Just a point, the US didn't get involved since the USSR was backing India, not because they feared the Indian Navy.
India did a good job of freeing Bangladesh. What Pakistan was doing there were deplorable. Not sure how you do that to your own countrymen. They also showed good constraint in holding the western border and not pushing into Pakistan.

On topic: Sounds like security was lax, probably because they were thinking the terrorist would have no interest in a naval base. The aircraft there sounds like it might be used to monitor the coast. I wonder if it was an effort to handicap surveillance so they they could sneak something in or out.

 

[MotF Bane]

It will be up to the Indian Air Force brass to decide if they want to come back for a "no holds" exercise.

That'll be the day. :awe:

 

[EagleKeeper]

It will be up to the Indian Air Force brass to decide if they want to come back for a "no holds" exercise.

That'll be the day. :awe:

To become second best; you have to train against the best.

India should request Israel or the US to play in the sandbox.

 

[werepossum]

As stated, equipment was downgraded to simulate the capabilities of either Pakistan or China.

Also the performance parameters and tactics of the Eagles were adjusted to not be the US, but of the anticipated opponent.

Such was done at the request of the IAF planners of the exercise.

The Eagles were simulating and operating under rules of a previous generation technology below the Indian aircraft.
They were not operating as F15s in any sense of the word.

According to some of the F15 drivers, it was frustrating to have to do "dumb" things to allow "fair play" within the engagement rules.

It will be up to the Indian Air Force brass to decide if they want to come back for a "no holds" exercise.

I did not know that. Thanks to you and to yllus for setting me straight, as honestly that gave me a bit of worry when it first came out.

 

[The Green Bean]

Talking about pilot skills, the PAF has one of the best trained pilots. They shot down 10 Israeli planes in the 6 day war without losing a single one. It's been quite a few years since then, but PAF pilots are regarded as one of the best.

 

[yllus]

That'll be the day. :awe:

They could get there - they've got all the war fighting experience a country could want, as similarly to Israel they're surrounded by unfriendly nations and constantly suffer minor intrusions and terrorist attacks. Sell them some U.S. hardware and mentoring and they'd dominate the area.

Talking about pilot skills, the PAF has one of the best trained pilots. They shot down 10 Israeli planes in the 6 day war without losing a single one. It's been quite a few years since then, but PAF pilots are regarded as one of the best.

I don't think you'd want to take a rematch.

 

[MotF Bane]

Talking about pilot skills, the PAF has one of the best trained pilots. They shot down 10 Israeli planes in the 6 day war without losing a single one. It's been quite a few years since then, but PAF pilots are regarded as one of the best.

Source?

 

[The Green Bean]

Just a point, the US didn't get involved since the USSR was backing India, not because they feared the Indian Navy.
India did a good job of freeing Bangladesh. What Pakistan was doing there were deplorable. Not sure how you do that to your own countrymen. They also showed good constraint in holding the western border and not pushing into Pakistan.

On topic: Sounds like security was lax, probably because they were thinking the terrorist would have no interest in a naval base. The aircraft there sounds like it might be used to monitor the coast. I wonder if it was an effort to handicap surveillance so they they could sneak something in or out.

Also, I don't think the involvement of the Indian military mattered much. It was years of injustice that lead to the eventual breakup of Pakistan, and it was geographically impossible to have one nation separated in that way. The way Baasha glorifies the Indian army is laughable at best.

The simple fact is that any war between India and Pakistan could easily lead to a nuclear exchange. Therefore, both countries should seriously rethink their policies towards each other.

 

[The Green Bean]

Source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Pakistan
scroll down to the involvement in arab conflicts
the original source is a Dutch magazine "Scramble"

 

[The Green Bean]

I don't think you'd want to take a rematch.

The Americans think it might be quite a match

In a 2002 CNN interview, former US ambassador to Pakistan, called PAF pilots some of the best in the world, as good as the IAF pilots, may be even better. Now you know why. (H)

IAF= Israel not India
http://www.naseeb.com/journals/paf-vs-iaf-186098

 

[dabuddha]

The Americans think it might be quite a match

IAF= Israel not India
http://www.naseeb.com/journals/paf-vs-iaf-186098

I'm sure an ambassador is qualified to make that conclusion

 

[Genx87]

I'm sure an ambassador is qualified to make that conclusion

Yeah, what is he going to say as the ambassador to Pakistan? The PAF's pilots stink? lol

 

[Genx87]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Pakistan
scroll down to the involvement in arab conflicts
the original source is a Dutch magazine "Scramble"

I'd go find more sources for this information if I were you. A a magazine called "scramble" is the only source I can find on the internet so far that backs up your claim.

It would be pretty impressive such a small contingent of volunteer airman from PAF could knock out 10 of 23 aircraft lost after the initial strike on Egyptian airbases that took 19 aircraft. But at this moment the info sounds suspect.

 

[yllus]

The Americans think it might be quite a match

IAF= Israel not India
http://www.naseeb.com/journals/paf-vs-iaf-186098

So the only time you believe the words of an American politician is when he's claiming your nation is the best at something based on evidence from 40 years ago on different hardware in an area he has no expertise in? You really should know better.

Pakistan's army is quite good, but let's face reality: Nobody beats the Americans or Israelis in the air today.

 

[Zebo]

Talking about pilot skills, the PAF has one of the best trained pilots. They shot down 10 Israeli planes in the 6 day war without losing a single one. It's been quite a few years since then, but PAF pilots are regarded as one of the best.

Not trying to discount your excellent points but Israeli aircraft were mostly old, even the Super-Mirages were no match for the Mig-21 fighters Egypt had. US didnt support Israel military until after 67 and only then just a little after that. What did you guys have?

 

[RabidMongoose]

I think that Indians must be the most nationalistic people on this forum aside from the white supremacist/white nation people like InfoHawk.

Anyways, Pakistan is a hell hole. It's pathetic that these militants overran a naval base, but what can you expect out of a pathetic and failed nation?

 

[MotF Bane]

I'd go find more sources for this information if I were you. A a magazine called "scramble" is the only source I can find on the internet so far that backs up your claim.

It would be pretty impressive such a small contingent of volunteer airman from PAF could knock out 10 of 23 aircraft lost after the initial strike on Egyptian airbases that took 19 aircraft. But at this moment the info sounds suspect.

Yeah, I did the same digging, and it's all coming back to "scramble". It's been recited as gospel on a ton of Pakistani sites, some YouTube videos, but everything seems to come back to one small source.

 

[JTsyo]

Also, I don't think the involvement of the Indian military mattered much. It was years of injustice that lead to the eventual breakup of Pakistan, and it was geographically impossible to have one nation separated in that way. The way Baasha glorifies the Indian army is laughable at best.

The simple fact is that any war between India and Pakistan could easily lead to a nuclear exchange. Therefore, both countries should seriously rethink their policies towards each other.

Indian's involvement was necessary for Bangladesh to prevail. They were just fighting a guerrilla war with weapons provided by India. From what I read if India had pushed into Pakistan, they wouldn't have had time to launch the nukes since they weren't in ready status. But the problem remains what they would have done with a hostile population under their control. If it wasn't for Kashmir, the two countries might have been able to keep their hostiles to just cricket matches.

 

[Zebo]

Also, I don't think the involvement of the Indian military mattered much. It was years of injustice that lead to the eventual breakup of Pakistan, and it was geographically impossible to have one nation separated in that way. The way Baasha glorifies the Indian army is laughable at best.

The simple fact is that any war between India and Pakistan could easily lead to a nuclear exchange. Therefore, both countries should seriously rethink their policies towards each other.

That's probably whats keeping you at peace. To risky to go to war. Like MAD with US and USSR.

 

[Zebo]

I'd go find more sources for this information if I were you. A a magazine called "scramble" is the only source I can find on the internet so far that backs up your claim.

It would be pretty impressive such a small contingent of volunteer airman from PAF could knock out 10 of 23 aircraft lost after the initial strike on Egyptian airbases that took 19 aircraft. But at this moment the info sounds suspect.

Israel was always way out gunned with equipment held together with bailing wire until the 1980s. I believe it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Decent equipment was available for her to hold her own with ease during the '73 conflict once the forces were activated

 

[OutHouse]

Talking about pilot skills, the PAF has one of the best trained pilots. They shot down 10 Israeli planes in the 6 day war without losing a single one. It's been quite a few years since then, but PAF pilots are regarded as one of the best.

Best trained? LoL! Damn you are funny you should tell jokes more often.

 

[The Green Bean]

That's probably whats keeping you at peace. To risky to go to war. Like MAD with US and USSR.

Well we haven't gone to all out war but the proxy wars have caused far more damage. The Baloch insurgency sponsored by India and the Kashmiri one by Pakistan have cost us trillions in opportunity costs. The main beneficiary of this? The USA. Divide and rule. And Wikileaks suggests that the USA rules us--and according to many they are worse than the British. We need another independence struggle.