Pakistan bans nato supply convoys

[GuitarDaddy]

http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/20...o-supply-convoys-after-troop-deaths/?hpt=Sbin


Based on a disputed incident along the border where beloved patriot's claim coalition forces crossed the border and killed 3 beloved patriot military.

How long are we going to pretend these guys are our allies?

I say cut off all aid immediately if they don't reopen this critical supply route.

 

[Lemon law]

Guitar Daddy, the idea that Pakistan was ever our ally is a delusion of Nato and not a delusion if Pakistan.

When GWB decided to punish Afghanistan for 911, the American and Nato military needed a land based supply route into Afghanistan. The list of qualifying countries was short, Iran or Pakistan. Surprise Surprise, GWB decided to bribe Pakistan.

The basic deal was, in exchange for certain aid packages, Pakistan would lease Nato a land route into Afghanistan. Meanwhile Nato would not engage in any military activity within Pakistan. And nothing about Pakistan being a junior partner to ally to Nato.

In the 9 years since, Pakistan has essentially spoken with two faces, on one hand looking the other way as Nato militarily acts inside of Pakistan and at others they get really pissed when Nato carelessly kills Pakistani troops.

The risk is that some day Pakistan will terminate the lease deal and say Nato go home.

 

[Zebo]

What did we build all those nukes for? Seriously get real or get out. Actually we should have stayed out but that's past.

 

[Kadarin]

Fuck Pakistan, seriously.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Why all the beloved patriot hate. The U.S. could use a few more 'allies' like them that we could backhand back to the 12th century any time we felt like it. Not that congress would let us but, no one is going to miss a few hundred now and then.

 

[Schadenfroh]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69025T20101001

Suspected militants in Pakistan set fire to more than two dozen tankers carrying fuel for NATO troops in Afghanistan on Friday

Looks like the rage is getting worse.

 

[routan]

http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/20...o-supply-convoys-after-troop-deaths/?hpt=Sbin


Based on a disputed incident along the border where beloved patriot's claim coalition forces crossed the border and killed 3 beloved patriot military.

How long are we going to pretend these guys are our allies?

I say cut off all aid immediately if they don't reopen this critical supply route.

GuitarDaddy, lol, seriously? The claim that Nato's forces crossed the border has been accepted by Natio. It's not disputed anymore:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11441279

I believe your stance is exactly the stance taken by Pakistan - one of the ministers stated that they have to figure out if Nato is Pakistan's ally or enemy.

 

[MotF Bane]

Fuck Pakistan, seriously.

This.

 

[ichy]

One more example of why I'll never give a penny for Pakistani flood relief. If they hate us so much then they can all drown for all I care.

 

[ayabe]

They have us by the balls because we need them to get supplies to Afghanistan. Only way to disengage with them is to get the fuck out of there. Otherwise we have to keep playing their games, while their government is in total collaboration with our enemies.

It gives me a fucking headache.

 

[PeshakJang]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69025T20101001

Looks like the rage is getting worse.

It's been like that for years, really. Corruption is synonymous with Pakistani Army... they routinely hijack supply shipments, destroy equipment, etc., and for some reason we keep looking the other way.

I'd bet money that the 3 Pak Army guys that were killed were in their Taliban hat that day. They will literally fire rockets and mortars from their checkpoints across the border to either attack our outposts directly, or to provide cover for other non-beloved patriot militants to attack or move in/out of Afghanistan.

Take Pakistan out of the equation and Afghanistan will be stabilized in 2 years.

 

[ayabe]

It's been like that for years, really. Corruption is synonymous with Pakistani Army... they routinely hijack supply shipments, destroy equipment, etc., and for some reason we keep looking the other way.

I'd bet money that the 3 Pak Army guys that were killed were in their Taliban hat that day. They will literally fire rockets and mortars from their checkpoints across the border to either attack our outposts directly, or to provide cover for other non-beloved patriot militants to attack or move in/out of Afghanistan.

Take Pakistan out of the equation and Afghanistan will be stabilized in 2 years.

I haven't read about it in great detail but that was my understanding as well, the helicopter were taking fire and responded in kind. If you don't want to die, then don't shoot at our helicopters, seems pretty simple to me.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

From what I understand the security forces along the border in the tribal areas dress in basically the same attire as the insurgents and wear no uniform. They offer no resistence to the insurgents as they cross freely back and forth across the border so it is no surprise that Nato forces mistakenly take a few out by mistake.

If you occuply the same space as the enemy, dress like the enemy, and don't fight to prevent the enemy from crossing the border you are in place to protect. YOU ARE THE ENEMY

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

At one time most Dems supported this war and thought it was justified...for whatever the reasons, it now appears that this war has become unwinnable. Time to leave?

 

[PeshakJang]

From what I understand the security forces along the border in the tribal areas dress in basically the same attire as the insurgents and wear no uniform. They offer no resistence to the insurgents as they cross freely back and forth across the border so it is no surprise that Nato forces mistakenly take a few out by mistake.

If you occuply the same space as the enemy, dress like the enemy, and don't fight to prevent the enemy from crossing the border you are in place to protect. YOU ARE THE ENEMY

That's exactly the case... yet our guys are strictly prohibited from sending fires across the border without division approval (never happens)... so if they start shooting at you from their outposts, you basically gotta sit in a hole and hope they eventually stop. They know this just as well, so it's a perfect way to allow fighters to sneak across the border.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

At one time most Dems supported this war and thought it was justified...for whatever the reasons, it now appears that this war has become unwinnable. Time to leave?

I tend to agree with what Zebo said, it's time to get real or get out. If we're not prepared to do what it takes to win which probably includes invading parts of Pakistan then we should get out.

It's nothing short of a national embarassement that nine years after the attacks on 9/11 that the perpetrators still operate with relative freedom within the borders of our so called ally.

 

[routan]

did all of you miss that THREE PAKISTANI SOLDIERS were killed by a NATO attack, which caused this blockage?

Jeez, you guys are quite clueless!

 

[JTsyo]

GuitarDaddy, lol, seriously? The claim that Nato's forces crossed the border has been accepted by Natio. It's not disputed anymore:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11441279

I believe your stance is exactly the stance taken by Pakistan - one of the ministers stated that they have to figure out if Nato is Pakistan's ally or enemy.

The NATO helicopters did cross into Pakistani airspace but why were they fired on? Did they think the helicopters belonged to the Taliban? The copters took fire and returned fire, that's the way it works when your forces aren't well integrated. Doesn't seem to be very bright folks on the border.

A Pakistani military spokesman told the Agence France-Presse news agency that troops fired at the helicopter "to indicate that the helicopters were crossing into our territory".

 

[routan]

That's exactly the case... yet our guys are strictly prohibited from sending fires across the border without division approval (never happens)... so if they start shooting at you from their outposts, you basically gotta sit in a hole and hope they eventually stop. They know this just as well, so it's a perfect way to allow fighters to sneak across the border.

PeshakJang, hi, here's an interesting question... why can the Nato forces with tens of thousands of troops and the best equipment prevent fighters from sneaking across the border into Pakistan?

Or sneaking back across the border into Afghanistan?

 

[routan]

The NATO helicopters did cross into Pakistani airspace but why were they fired on? Did they think the helicopters belonged to the Taliban? The copters took fire and returned fire, that's the way it works when your forces aren't well integrated.

JTsyo, so basically you go across the border, into another sovereign nation, and then question why you were fired upon?

I like this idea. Next time I trespass, I'm sure to use this defense.

Being allies does not mean free access to another nations airspace. I'm pretty sure Pakistan is not allowed to fly its military hardware across US airspace.

EDIT: If people actually read news:

A Pakistani military spokesman told the Agence France-Presse news agency that troops fired at the helicopter "to indicate that the helicopters were crossing into our territory". Three soldiers were killed and three were injured.

From the BBC link.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I tend to agree with what Zebo said, it's time to get real or get out. If we're not prepared to do what it takes to win which probably includes invading parts of Pakistan then we should get out.

It's nothing short of a national embarassement that nine years after the attacks on 9/11 that the perpetrators still operate with relative freedom within the borders of our so called ally.

I asked JoS about this last week and he believes that we cannot win without taking out a significant portion of the civilian population (which imo is unacceptable)...that the time to "get real" has long passed. He's pretty damn close to the situation so I think his opinion is likely very credible on this.

 

[JTsyo]

JTsyo, so basically you go across the border, into another sovereign nation, and then question why you were fired upon?

I like this idea. Next time I trespass, I'm sure to use this defense.

Being allies does not mean free access to another nations airspace. I'm pretty sure Pakistan is not allowed to fly its military hardware across US airspace.

I'm sure Pakistan is not paying billions of dollars to the US either.

It would seem like common sense to me not fire on helicopters even if they did violate your airspace. Usually radios are used to communicate, not AK-47s.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

did all of you miss that THREE PAKISTANI SOLDIERS were killed by a NATO attack, which caused this blockage?

Jeez, you guys are quite clueless!

How many Nato forces have been killed by the insurgents that freely pass through the border region while beloved patriot security forces assist them or look the other way?

Why do the beloved patriot security forces dress like Taliban and not wear regular military uniforms?

Why are beloved patriot security firing on American helicopters?

And we certainly aren't clueless about where your loyalties lie

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Gee who could have seen this coming?

The US can't win in a poker game with four aces, because our much loved politicians have no clue what's going on, but they certainly feel competent enough to make judgment calls. It's kind of like health care.

 

[routan]

I'm sure Pakistan is not paying billions of dollars to the US either.

It would seem like common sense to me not fire on helicopters even if they did violate your airspace. Usually radios are used to communicate, not AK-47s.

JTsyo, the billions of dollars are to mobilise that country's military, which is already stretched thin. Irrevelant in the discussion of airspace violation.

You can communicate with another army's helicopters using radios? Good Lord!