Painting of the Last Supper hoax

QueHuong

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My cousin forwarded the following to me - she knows I'm agnostic yet she's constantly trying to change my beliefs by preaching and by saying how disappointed she is that I do not share her same views.. Anyway, here it is (it's long but it's an interesting read):


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The story behind the painting of The Last Supper is
extremely interesting and instructive. Two incidents
connected with this painting afford a most convincing
lesson on the effect of thought in the life of a boy
or girl, or of a man or woman. The Last Supper was
painted by Leonardo Da Vinci, a noted Italian artist.
The time engaged for its completion was seven years.
The figures representing the twelve apostles and
Christ Himself were painted from living persons. The
live model for the painting of the figure of Jesus was
chosen first. When it was decided that Da Vinci would
paint this great picture, hundreds and hundreds of
young men were carefully viewed in an endeavor to find
a face and personality unaffected by sin. Finally,
after weeks of laborious searching a young man,
nineteen years of age, was selected as the model for
the portrayal of Christ. For six months Da Vinci
worked on the production of this leading character of
the famous painting.


During the next six years Da Vinci continued his
labors on his sublime work of art. One by one fitting
persons were chosen to represent each of the eleven
apostles, space being left for the painting of Judas
Iscariot as the final task of this masterpiece. This
was the apostle, you remember, who betrayed his Lord
for thirty pieces of silver, worth $16.95 in our
present day currency. For weeks Da Vinci searched for
a man with a hard callous face, with a countenance
marked by scars of avarice, deceit, who would betray
his best friend. After many discouraging experiences
in searching for the type of person required to
represent Judas, word came to Da Vinci that a man
whose appearance fully met the requirements had been
found. He was in a dungeon in Rome, sentenced to die
for a life of crime and murder.


Da Vinci made the trip to Rome at once, and this man
was brought out from his imprisonment in the dungeon
and led into the light of the sun. There Da Vinci saw
before him a dark, swarthy man, his long shaggy and
unkempt hair sprawled over his face. A face which
portrayed a character of viciousness and complete
ruin. At last the painter had found the person he
wanted to represent the character of Judas in his
painting. By special permission from the king, this
prisoner was carried to Milan where the fresco was
being painted.


For six months the prisoner sat before Da Vinci,at
appointed hours each day, as the gifted artist
diligently continued his task of transmitting to his
painting this base character in the picture
representing the traitor and betrayer of the Savior.
As he finished his last stroke, he turned to the
guards and said, "I have finished, you may take the
prisoner away." Suddenly the man broke loose from
their control and rushed up to Da Vinci, crying as he
did so; "Oh, Da Vinci, look at me! Do you not know who
I am?" Da Vinci, with the trained eye of a great
character student, carefully scrutinized the man upon
whose face he had constantly gazed for six months and
replied; "No, I have never seen you in my life until
you were brought before me out of the dungeon in
Rome."


Then lifting his eyes toward heaven, the prisoner
said, "O God, have I fallen so low?" Then turning his
face to the painter he cried, "Leonardo Da Vinci, look
at me again, for I am the same man you painted just
seven years ago as the figure of Christ!"


This is the true story of the painting of The Last
Supper that teaches so strongly the lesson of the
effects of right and wrong thinking of an individual.
He was a young man whose Character was so pure and
unspoiled by the sins of the world, that he
represented a countenance and innocence and beauty fit
to be used for the painting of the representation of
Christ. But during the next seven years, following a
life of sin and crime, he was changed into a perfect
picture of the most notorious character ever known in
the history of the world.

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Well before I believe this "true story," I went to Encarta and found this article:

"From 1495 to 1497 Leonardo labored on his masterpiece, The Last Supper, a mural in the refectory of the Monastery of Santa Maria delle Grazie, Milan. "

The article mentions nothing about the story above and it says da Vinci painted the painting in two years, and not the 7 seven years which the forward claims. Since I haven't done any deep and thorough research, I will try to refrain myself from definitely saying that the forward is BS.

Since my source is pretty reliable (as oppose to some email forwards), IMHO, I think the story above is full of fibs, to say the least. Assuming that it is fake, I'm getting tired of these lies desperate Christians are spreading around the internet (for example, there's the one story where NASA found a day missing and that's related to the Old Testament story about God stopping the heavens for a day...a Christian website later admitted that the circulating email was a hoax). Again, that's only assuming the Last Supper story is fake. So this is why I posted this story: can anyone confirm the story above is true? If no one can, I'm going to fire off a stern, but not condescending, to stop emailing me crap and to start respecting my beliefs.
 

UberNeuman

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The weirdest thing is that NASA was finally able to prove that Da Vinci never drank a Diet Coke...

Weird!
 

notfred

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Well, in my art history class (this is a university class mind you) We spent several weeks on Leonardo Da Vinci and his works. Never did we hear anything like this story. However - this story really has nothing to do with christianity, but only Leonardo and maybe the effects of time on people.
 

Cyberian

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<< The weirdest thing is that NASA was finally able to prove that Da Vinci never drank a Diet Coke...

Weird!
>>


Da Vinci could kick Bruce Lee's ass though!
 

QueHuong

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<< However - this story really has nothing to do with christianity, but only Leonardo and maybe the effects of time on people >>



Yes it does - it's implying how a person so pure could become so corrupt if he turns away from Christ. And if you don't see it like that, it's still pretty obvious the purpose of the story is to preach.
 

Capn

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I think you have too much pent up aggression.

Aside from the subject of the painting, how does this have anything to do with Christianity?
 

QueHuong

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<< I think you have too much pent up aggression. >>



Other than the annoyance towards my cousin for constantly sending me "preachy" stuff (not to mention her preaching to me in real life), is anyone else blessed with the omniscient view that capn seems to have in seeing my "pent up aggression"? Like I said, I'm just tired of my cousin's constant preaching and I came on here to ask for evidences supporting the story. But hey, since the all-knowing capn has spoken, I'm gonna go to sleep to relieve this pent up aggression inside of me. (And because I wanna wake up early for the early bird special at Best Buy). So offended people, judge and assume things about me all you want, but it still doesn't justify people constantly sending out hoaxes to support their beliefs.
 

Yo Ma Ma

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Your cousin's story is false, tell her she needs better material.

That said, I do not much if any connection at all between this story and an attempt to lead someone to Christ. This is just yet another soap opera-esque story spewed forth on the Internet, I'm sure you'll see more in your lifetime.
 

notfred

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<< Yes it does - it's implying how a person so pure could become so corrupt if he turns away from Christ. And if you don't see it like that, it's still pretty obvious the purpose of the story is to preach. >>



No it's not. It just uses Christ as the example for "good" and Judas as the example for "evil". It doesn't even mention whether Leonardo or the person he was painting were even Christians.
 

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You can politely ask your cousin to stop emailing you the religious media. Also, don?t read or reply to the above type of email. You can go as far as blocking those spam if you feel that the emails are disturbing.

By replying to your cousin email show your cousin that you are interested in the material and is taking time to read, research and reply to it.
 

QueHuong

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<< No it's not. It just uses Christ as the example for "good" and Judas as the example for "evil". It doesn't even mention whether Leonardo or the person he was painting were even Christians. >>



Perhaps you missed the part where I said, several times in fact, my cousin constantly preaches to me. To reiterate yet once more, my cousin incessantly tries to change my beliefs by either preaching or otherwise showing me how my present course in life will lead me to the pits of hell. Her purpose in sending me the email is to preach. Even if you don't think there's a religious overtone in the email forward, rest assured that she thought so and that's why she sent it to me.

Oh, by the way, I was reading the link Yo-Ma-Ma gave me:

"This tale is simply a Christian religious allegory warning of the inner spiritual decay (as exemplified by an outer physical decay) that awaits those who spurn Jesus Christ."

Obviously, I'm not the only who sees the subtle religious message of what will happen if you turn away from Christ.
 

Optimus

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It is a non-factual and somewhat silly story/urban legend. Tell your cousin that you do not wish to recieve any more religious emails and that you will block her address if she persists.

That said, the fact that your cousin is annoying and this story is false have no bearing on the validity or merit of Christianity.

Several of my friends who are atheists also send me garbage spam emails... I don't then post here saying "I'm getting tired of these lies desperate atheists are spreading around the internet".

The only problem with your post is that you seem to allude to / insinuate that there is a connection between your cousin's annoying behavior, the urban legend, and Christianity in general.

There is no epidemic of "false Christian emails" and "desperate lies". You are of course free to believe Christians are mistaken, and that preaching to you is annoying and should be stopped upon your request, but this story and your cousin are not indicative of the entire group.

Note - I'm not saying you asserted it is indicative, but I think the gist of your first post is quite clear. Please clarify if I have it wrong (I know you did ask for verification of the story, but there was more in your post than just that request).

 

QueHuong

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<< There is no epidemic of "false Christian emails" and "desperate lies". You are of course free to believe Christians are mistaken, and that preaching to you is annoying and should be stopped upon your request, but this story and your cousin are not indicative of the entire group.

Note - I'm not saying you asserted it is indicative, but I think the gist of your first post is quite clear. Please clarify if I have it wrong (I know you did ask for verification of the story, but there was more in your post than just that request).
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Since I typed up this post immediately after I recieved the email from my cousin, I was annoyed and typed this thread up rather hastily. I realize the people who formulate fake stories to support their beliefs do not constitute the majority, BUT I have recieved many of these types of emails before also. One that comes up immediately to mind is the one that NASA found a day missing. If you want more examples, follow Yo-Ma-Ma's link which will bring you to a gallery of similiar stories. Just scroll all the way down and click "Next LEGEND." Like I said, I realize the people who are desperate enough to circulate false stories are not the majority, but the number of people who are taken in by such heartful stories and feel the urge to press the forward button upon recieving such emails are quite plentiful. They do not bother to even verify the story nor do they even bother to consider if the person they're forwarding these types of emails to want to read them.

So to sum up my point, the people who uncontrollably press the forward button and proceed to add every entry in their address book are not much better than the people who type up the hoaxes themselves. And there are so many of these people that send out these stuff around the internet that there is even at least a gallery of these hoaxes (i.e. Yo-Ma-Ma's website).

And am just looking at the list of email addresses my cousin sent this story to: 14 email addresses. Looks like this is on its way of becoming an 'epidemic of "false Christian emails." ' :)
 

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<< but the number of people who are taken in by such heartful stories and feel the urge to press the forward button upon recieving such emails are quite plentiful. >>


They sure are! But I think you'll find that compulsive crap-email forwarders span across all social, political, religious, and gender/age levels.


<< So to sum up my point, the people who uncontrollably press the forward button and proceed to add every entry in their address book are not much better than the people who type up the hoaxes themselves. >>


No disagreement there - both are stupidities in spreading false info - although being too lazy/gullible to check may rank a hair below malicious intent.


<< And there are so many of these people that send out these stuff around the internet that there is even at least a gallery of these hoaxes (i.e. Yo-Ma-Ma's website). >>


Yes but read Snopes (YoMaMa's link) - the false emails span every topic... health, consumer goods, stories, friends-of-friends... the couple "Christian" ones are a very small part of an epidemic that spans every topic/culture/religion/lack of religion known to man! :)


<< And am just looking at the list of email addresses my cousin sent this story to: 14 email addresses. Looks like this is on its way of becoming an 'epidemic of "false Christian emails." >>


More like an epidemic of stupid cousin emails.

I used to do anti-virus work for a large insurance company and one of my daily tasks was to "debunk" these sorts of emails and write canned replies to them for the helpdesk. Believe me, I've seen almost all of them and they know no religion, culture, or topic boundaries. I once had one such email forwarded from one of the big 3 computer companies to one of our people... it had 27 pages of email addresses as it had been forwarded to literally thousands of people in the company... bit at a time.

Its not a "Christian" thing - its a "stupid" thing. :)

 

Amused

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A fanatic is a fanatic, be they religious, political, environmental, or conspiracy theorist like ZAQ... and you can tell if they're lying only one way... check to see if their lips are moving :)
 

Cyberian

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Da Vinci :
"OK, everyone that wants to be in the picture get on the other side of the table."