PA Tax Amnesty TV ad. WTF

[nick1985]

lol. Way to make your military families feel confident. Tell them their auto or semi-auto weapons jam easily and only work over a short distance. Don't worry, your husband will come back from Iraq as long as his horribly shitty gun doesn't jam, which it probably will.


.22s are nice for shooting competitions. Long range rifles are killing wild animals whereas automatic weapons are usually designed to kill people at a much shorter range. The difference of intended range can be seen in the size of shells used in each type of gun. A typical 30-06 that most farmers and hunters own uses bullets sized to 7.62 x 63 mm; an AK-47 for killing people uses the same 7.62mm width but the shell is only 39mm long, making it almost worthless if you wanted to shoot a moose at long range.

It actually does make a lot of sense to restrict military bullets since the bullets go through things when used for defense and are useless if you try hunting with them. If you want home defense, a Thompson or UMP 45 would be more reasonable, but I think both of those are illegal as well.

Um, that 30-06 will penetrate so much farther than a 7.62x39 AK round will.

 

[ShawnD1]

A hunting rifle doesn't have a 30 shot clip, so there's a certain limit on how much danger everyone on the other side of the wall is in.

Think of the children!

 

[nick1985]

A hunting rifle doesn't have a 30 shot clip, so there's a certain limit on how much danger everyone on the other side of the wall is in.

Think of the children!

Neither does an AK.


Semantics aside, there are plenty of rifles used for hunting with large mags. Take the M1A for example. 20 rounds of .308. Id rather someone be trying to gun me down with an AK than an M1A. Basically Ed Rendell doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to firearms. He contradicts himself in his attack on guns several times. Its obvious he has ne experience with them. Pure ignorance.

 

[xj0hnx]

If you want home defense, a Thompson or UMP 45 would be more reasonable, but I think both of those are illegal as well.

I personally use a SBR SLR-106U. But neither of those are illegal. The semi auto versions are perfectly legal, and the full auto versions are controlled under the NFA of 1934. Both can be had by paying the $200 tax form, and not having a criminal record.

 

[BoberFett]

It actually does make a lot of sense to restrict military bullets since the bullets go through things when used for defense and are useless if you try hunting with them.

Military bullets? Do you know anything about firearms or just making shit up?

 

[xj0hnx]

Military bullets? Do you know anything about firearms or just making shit up?

Just rolling with the current as far as I can see.

 

[Balt]

Looks like Tom is about to get nuked from orbit.

 

[BoberFett]

Looks like Tom is about to get nuked from orbit.

Haha, that was my thought as well.

Crow kicks ass, BTW.

 

[Deeko]

The commercial is a little creepy, but is it really that "scary" to realize that the government knows the name and address of its residents? And which of those residents owe money? That's...pretty par for the course.

As for the "super high tech monitoring system" they're using in the commerical, given said address I could do that with Bing or Google maps in about 1/20th the time it took them, so also...really not as creepy as it looks.

 

[nick1985]

The commercial is a little creepy, but is it really that "scary" to realize that the government knows the name and address of its residents? And which of those residents owe money? That's...pretty par for the course.

As for the "super high tech monitoring system" they're using in the commerical, given said address I could do that with Bing or Google maps in about 1/20th the time it took them, so also...really not as creepy as it looks.

I think its the voice thats creepin' people out

 

[ShawnD1]

Take the M1A for example. 20 rounds of .308

Many places limit how many shots a hunting rifle can have when used for hunting. In many states, the limit is 5. A person who enjoys hunting would likely be using a 5 shot magazine. This is still a lot worse than using something like a 9mm or .45 since the bullets will go through things, but ya take the good with the bad. If a hunting rifle is all you have, it's good enough. Hunting rifles are something farmers absolutely need to have, so I wouldn't try to limit this any further.

Military bullets? Do you know anything about firearms or just making shit up?

Your ignorance hurts. It hurts so bad.
The military often uses bullets with a full metal jacket. These are illegal for hunting because they have greater armor penetration and less stopping power. Isn't that just perfect for home defense? It doesn't stop people as effectively but it goes through walls?
what is a full metal jacket


There's just no getting around this - rifles are not the best for home defense because they go through walls, and that's really dangerous. If you want a gun for hunting, you can buy a standard 0.308 with a 5 shot magazine and nobody will give you shit for it. If you want defense, a .45 will drop a human like nothing. Guns like the AR15 don't really fit into either category of hunting or defense, and that's why people want them restricted.

If you want to know more about home defense, read this nice little article: link

Rifles...
If a rifle is the only available firearm, a relatively low powered, carbine length weapon is probably the best choice. A Winchester or Marlin lever action carbine chambered for a pistol cartridge (.357 Magnum, .44 Magnum) would fill the bill, as would a military surplus M1 Carbine. These would also be satisfactory choices to defend a neighborhood during a riot or other civil insurrection. Use bullets designed for quick expansion.

Rifles such as a lever action .30-30 or Ruger Ranch Rifle would be a sensible choice outdoors for defending farm or ranch property from two or four legged predators. For defensive use inside the home, particularly in populated areas, there are better choices than a rifle.

Notice how he goes out of his way to state "in populated areas" because high power rifles shoot through walls very easily.

 

[BoberFett]

Your ignorance hurts. It hurts so bad.
The military often uses bullets with a full metal jacket.

The military often eats chicken. Does that make it military food?

 

[Jeff7]

ZOMG teh gubmint uses public records to figure out who owes them teh moneyz!!!

It gets worse - they may even have access to Google Earth.:hmm:

 

[piasabird]

Dont worry the government will protect you!

You do believe this dont you?

A high velocity 22 X 250 round is half to 1/3 as short as a 270 and faster. It is excellent for killing coyotes. It can kill a man quite easily. The problem is a 270 win round is designed for long range to kill large game and will probably go straight through a wall.

I use to shoot .22 longrifle rounds and my pistol never jammed. It was easy to shoot and very accurate at 50 meters. However, my M-16 shot a 5.56 military round with a range of 1 mile (if you are a good shot). However, it was also prone to an occasional jam. It is the quality of the gun not what the gun is designed for. Cheap is as cheap does. They make 38 specials that jam a lot also.

PS> I use to work at Winchester Western small arm manufacturing plant located at East Alton, IL. We made a lot of 270, 30-06, 30-30and 5.56 military, and 300 Win Mag cartridges. We also made a lot of 45 auto, 9mm, 38, 357 and 40mm rounds. We made a ton of 9mm and 22 rim-fire rounds.

In some states you cant use a 30-06 to hunt with. Not much big game in Illinois.

 

[ShawnD1]

The military often eats chicken. Does that make it military food?

Since everyone eats chicken, are you implying that everyone with a gun uses full metal jacket bullets?

I just buy the regular lead bullets.

 

[BoberFett]

Since everyone eats chicken, are you implying that everyone with a gun uses full metal jacket bullets?

I just buy the regular lead bullets.

I just think that calling FMJ is a "military bullet" is absurd. Almost as silly as banning scary black "assault rifles" because they have bayonet lugs.

 

[nick1985]

Your ignorance hurts. It hurts so bad.
The military often uses bullets with a full metal jacket. These are illegal for hunting because they have greater armor penetration and less stopping power. Isn't that just perfect for home defense? It doesn't stop people as effectively but it goes through walls?
what is a full metal jacket


There's just no getting around this - rifles are not the best for home defense because they go through walls

oh man...so much fail.

Ever hear of frangible ammo? You can buy it in 223, .308, 7.62x39, and probably a few other calibers, making it a very effective home defense round. But you are the resident expert on ammo, so I'm sure you already knew that.

"Frangible, or “soft,” rounds are designed to break apart when they hit walls or other hard surfaces to prevent ricochets during close-quarters combat."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/frangible.htm

You can also get hollow points in just about every caliber out there. I'm sure you knew that too, however.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#7.62x39


Short of a shotgun with 00 buck, an AR or an AK with hollow point or frangible ammo will be way more useful than any handgun or carbine could ever be in a home defense situation, and even some experts claim they are better than shotguns(its commonly debated on many gun forums). Just becaue the military uses FMJ ammo doesnt mean you cant buy frangible or HP ammo for those calibers.