P5B Deluxe is MUCH better than DQ6 & DS3 in Full Guide PDF

[HamidFULL]

at this PDF you can find why P5B Deluxe is MUCH better than DQ6 look at the PDF and write your idea Tanx :
http://www.anti-x.org/hwnews/200608151/ASUS_P5B_Deluxe_vs_G_Brand_DQ6.pdf

 

[cmdrdredd]

it reads exactly how someone working at asus would. Alot of the pictures with things circled could be anything. How do we know what each cap links to? It's BS if you ask me.

Now I have a P5b Deluxe, but the DQ6 is a good board too...just needs the right memory and settings.

 

[shabby]

Seems like some of the marketing guys from nvidia/ati got to asus.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: shabby
Seems like some of the marketing guys from nvidia/ati got to asus.

Yeah something like that. It's a crap review (if that's what you would call it).

I would determine which one is better by looking at the offerings at the price. Then rating the performance with the same configurations.

 

[HamidFULL]

any more?

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Looks like it was made by someone at ASUS. Some of the points do look valid...but its hard to place any credibility in a comparision that doesn't even NAME the competitor (G-Brand? WTF?), calls their features "Useless" & "Fake" repeatedly....and claims that it overclocks 'only' to 505FSB (as opposed to 535FSB).

I bet someone at Gigabyte could make a similar comparision that highlights its features and downplays the P5B's features (the 12-phase design is to be Woodcrest-ready, 7 vs 6 expansion slots, more PCIe x1 slots so its more future-ready etc.). From what I've read around the web, these are both solid boards....and they have both very mixed reviews from good -> great -> stupendous.

This is just like those 'Crossfire Sucks'/'Quad-SLI is a hackjob' slides nVidia/ATi release all the time.

 

[HamidFULL]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Looks like it was made by someone at ASUS. Some of the points do look valid...but its hard to place any credibility in a comparision that doesn't even NAME the competitor (G-Brand? WTF?), calls their features "Useless" & "Fake" repeatedly....and claims that it overclocks 'only' to 505FSB (as opposed to 535FSB).

I bet someone at Gigabyte could make a similar comparision that highlights its features and downplays the P5B's features (the 12-phase design is to be Woodcrest-ready, 7 vs 6 expansion slots, more PCIe x1 slots so its more future-ready etc.). From what I've read around the web, these are both solid boards....and they have both very mixed reviews from good -> great -> stupendous.

This is just like those 'Crossfire Sucks'/'Quad-SLI is a hackjob' slides nVidia/ATi release all the time.

Mabye , WoodCrest Need 12 Phase Power?

 

[imported_RedStar]

"I bet someone at Gigabyte could make a similar comparision that highlights its features and downplays the P5B's features (the 12-phase design is to be Woodcrest-ready, 7"

wonders over the "reports" that say the 12 phase design is no more than a souped up 6 phase

"On a side note, there have been reports that GIGABYTE's 12-phase power solution may be no more than a souped up 6-phase solution"

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTE0Nyw2LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

(overall, a very positive review of the dq6)

edit: i copied selected text and...hey, i learned something. hehe

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: HamidFULL
Mabye , WoodCrest Need 12 Phase Power?

No. It's marketing.

I'm waiting for 24-phase power, myself

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: HamidFULL
Mabye , WoodCrest Need 12 Phase Power?

No. It's marketing.

I'm waiting for 24-phase power, myself

I'm waiting for my CPU to have a tiny Fusion reactor inside it that powers the whole system with as many fans, HDDs, and other components you want to put inside.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: HamidFULL
Mabye , WoodCrest Need 12 Phase Power?

No. It's marketing.

I'm waiting for 24-phase power, myself

I'm waiting for my CPU to have a tiny Fusion reactor inside it that powers the whole system with as many fans, HDDs, and other components you want to put inside.

But you know it won't cover vid

 

[HamidFULL]

any more about PDF??

 

[Madellga]

Yes, they don't mention how Asus boards die after 3 months (sudden death) or how they sometimes don't cold boot - they need a reset or how a mosfet blows and burns your P4.

I don't know about the future (when they will produce things together), but in my book Gigabyte Quality >>> Asus Quality

I had many (really many) issues with Asus in the past (mobos, graphic cards). Those things never happened with any other brand I had (Abit, Epox, DFI, MSI, Gigabyte).
Asus is crossed from my buying list.

 

[Soul Colossus]

Originally posted by: Madellga
Yes, they don't mention how Asus boards die after 3 months (sudden death) or how they sometimes don't cold boot - they need a reset or how a mosfet blows and burns your P4.

I don't know about the future (when they will produce things together), but in my book Gigabyte Quality >>> Asus Quality

I had many (really many) issues with Asus in the past (mobos, graphic cards). Those things never happened with any other brand I had (Abit, Epox, DFI, MSI, Gigabyte).
Asus is crossed from my buying list.

You're quite unique in your bad luck with ASUS. Just by reading forums it's evident that ASUS is more consistently higher in quality. It certainly has been for me.

 

[lopri]

I mean, even in a BS marketing PDF we can see the level of ASUS' quality check. If you look at ATI/NV's FUD powerpoints/PDFs, at least they pay attention to the layout and graphs, etc. to make it look nicer and have general integrity.
This ASUS PDF looks like homework of a highschool kid in computer class or something.

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: Soul Colossus

Originally posted by: Madellga
Yes, they don't mention how Asus boards die after 3 months (sudden death) or how they sometimes don't cold boot - they need a reset or how a mosfet blows and burns your P4.

I don't know about the future (when they will produce things together), but in my book Gigabyte Quality >>> Asus Quality

I had many (really many) issues with Asus in the past (mobos, graphic cards). Those things never happened with any other brand I had (Abit, Epox, DFI, MSI, Gigabyte).
Asus is crossed from my buying list.

You're quite unique in your bad luck with ASUS. Just by reading forums it's evident that ASUS is more consistently higher in quality. It certainly has been for me.

Unfortunately it's not only me. Three colleagues from work had their Asus mobo dying on them, one had a P4 (865 based), other an Athlon XP nforce2 based (like my last) and the third had also an Athlon KT333. It doesn't seem to me like coincidence.
These people use their computers mostly for Internet and office application, they had quality components on their build and they were never overclocked.

The forums have also people not happy (such as owners of the A64 mobo with ATI chipset).

Or it is just that I get all bad hardware....pure (un)luck of draw.

 

[Madellga]

They don't mention that Gigabyte have all Solid Capacitors on the mobo, while Asus still has "standard" ones.

Perhaps that fits on the upcoming Gigabyte PDF.....

 

[RamIt]

The asus may have better components but seems to lack when compared to the ds3 or s3 for that matter.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797

DS3 constantly benches better than the PB5. Overclocks higher too.

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
But you know it won't cover vid

Duh, that's what the magical energy-creating device is being invented for .

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: RamIt
The asus may have better components but seems to lack when compared to the ds3 or s3 for that matter.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797

DS3 constantly benches better than the PB5. Overclocks higher too.

On the forums made for overclockers the P5B Deluxe reaches higher FSB than any Guigabyte boards. That doesn't mean the CPU will work at those speeds though.

 

[Madellga]

Because most people call Super Pi BS stable.

Not many users show Prime95 stable results.

 

[Madellga]

Worth checking this thread also:
FSB600@Gigabyte DQ6
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=114600

 

[threepointone]

honestly, I think most of the component nonsense in mobo advertising is nonsense. What really goes into product design that matters is never advertised, because those aspects are far too difficult to explain in a simple sentence or two in an ad.

Gigabyte has all "solid" capacitors: the technical name for these capacitors are conductive polymer aluminum electrolytic capacitors. if you've played around with electricity before, well, these still should blow up if you give them too much voltage. From the couple of datasheets I've read, it seems that conductive polymer caps aren't actually rated much longer than regular caps--about 2000 hours. I've seen regular electrolytics rated at 10,000 hours. I suspect the decision of using these caps has to do more with the fact that they have lower ESR and thus can handle more current. or just pure marketing.

Asus' claim of having better caps for the sound: if you've done anything in diy audio, you know that electrolytic caps suck in the signal path. the ones on the gigabyte board are ceramic, which should (depending on the quality they used) sound better than the big electrolytic caps. Otherwise, the value of the cap generally does not matter as long as if it's designed properly.

what really does matter for OC'ing is how well the board perform at high speeds. When working with extremely high speed circuits, all sorts of weirdness happens. the layout of the traces on the PC board and positioning of components becomes extremely important in determining how stable the board is. what happens is that the space between copper traces on the motherboards become capacitors, and the higher the capacitance between them and the higher the speeds traveling in them, the more crosstalk and signal loss you'll get.

I suspect the reason why some people can overclock more than others involves the subtle variations in manufacturing the boards and the minor differences in placement of components. Better designs should account for these differences.

Of course, saying "our pcb is designed better" isn't quite marketable.

In the end, I say ignore all the nonsense features mobo manufacturers advertise. it's better to just see for yourself which mobos oc better or perform better.