P4ee vs a64 vs afx51. THE P4 WON!!!!

[Pirox]

Sorry to spoil your fun guys but i mailed the editor and he could not get ECC DDR-400 to work...See here..

 

[Auric]

Hmm, well the only way we win is if both companies tie, or thereabouts.

 

[yhelothar]

These benchmarks aren't that great imo. Where's systemmark? This seems like it mostly tests 3d rendering, and synthetic tests...

 

[mrgoblin]

I dont think systemark is that widely used :\

 

[Mavrick]

I'm not at all impressed by the A64 Look at it this way: This all new generation processor was supposed to smash Intel in performance, stability and overall quality (remember when AMD stated that they abandonned the AMD-760 chipset, but would fully support and produce chipsets for the A64. Now, only VIA and nVIDIA are producing chipsets, and we haven't heard of an AMD-8000 for about a year...)

Also, performance wise, the A64 is barely able to reach the P4 (not even talking about P4EE), and it doesn't even run stably with 2 DDR400 modules!!

Sadly, I think AMD is now at the end of its resources, and will soon retract to lower end markets... There is now way A64 will hold head with Prescott.

(Since AFX51 is a very limited production cpu, just like the P4EE, I didn't talk about either of them since none can be considered money making products)

 

[MangoTBG]

These benchmarks aren't that great imo. Where's systemmark? This seems like it mostly tests 3d rendering, and synthetic tests...

Am I wrong in thinking that SystemMark is just another synthetic test?

 

[FishTankX]

In the compression benchmark did anyone notice how the opteron doubled the score of the P4 EE in 64 bit mode? It looks like 64 bit mode could have huge implications for computational work, like 3d max and such.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: FishTankX
In the compression benchmark did anyone notice how the opteron doubled the score of the P4 EE in 64 bit mode? It looks like 64 bit mode could have huge implications for computational work, like 3d max and such.

I did.

[ Darth Vader ] Impressive. [ / Darth Vader ]

 

[HokieESM]

Originally posted by: FishTankX
In the compression benchmark did anyone notice how the opteron doubled the score of the P4 EE in 64 bit mode? It looks like 64 bit mode could have huge implications for computational work, like 3d max and such.

It very much could. Its a VERY complicated matter, though--as I'm finding out as my CS friends help me with my computational mechanics codes. It really depends on what is the limiting factor--the actual CPU, the memory I/O (and large cache is NICE for this--I can't get over how fast the Itaniums are at school compared to my P4 2.53)... whatever.

I anxiously await someone buying an actual A64 to see how it compares. Oh, and those 64-bit compilers need to get out in a hurry. Of course, I really don't care if its AMD or Intel--I'm going to buy what is fastest for me... because, face it.... for surfing and email, my Celeron 1.4 is fine--I need something to do math.

 

[PrinceXizor]

Um....besides the fact that the control of these benchies are questionable...

Taking them at face value....correct me if I'm wrong, hasn't Intel chips toasted AMD's in video encoding benches for awhile now? AMD closed the gap with the hammer architecture and Intel widened it again with the EE, color me NOT very shocked.

One little tidbit, though, the FX is being touted as a super gaming chip, so in its targeted arena it seems to fit the bill perfectly. Of course, it will be much more interesting to discuss Anand's benches...

P-X

 

[Alkali]

I am pretty sure I want to go for an Intel chip next... and probably dual Xeon, unless they finally enable P4 dual setups. All that unless 64-bit takes off like a rocket.

 

[dmw16]

I dont think we can claim a winner until we have retail versions of both the Athlon64 and a motherboard...
-doug

 

[illuminati]

I'll wait until tomorrow to even start thinking about judging the A64 to the P4.... I'm curious as to why this site released before NDA lifted.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: Alkali
I am pretty sure I want to go for an Intel chip next... and probably dual Xeon, unless they finally enable P4 dual setups. All that unless 64-bit takes off like a rocket.

Me too. I'm currently holding off on upgrading for a dual Xeon system, or a Prescott system. I don't think I will go with the first gen Prescott, because I went with a first gen P4, and hit myself over the head until I got my Northwood 2.0a. I doubt Intel (or AMD for that matter) will enable SMP on a chip meant for single processor setups. Look at AMD, they changed the packageing to avoid the bridging hack. If the second gen Prescott, or Xeon's based on the Prescott core are nice, I will upgrade (or build a new system) come college time.

 

[brettjrob]

I really feel bad for AMD after seeing this. I own an Intel, but I don't want to see AMD get wiped off the face of the earth, which looks to be a possibility given this. I mean the super-expensive, limited quantity, dual-channel, top-of-the-line next-gen FX51 can hardly keep up with a Northwood with extra cache, and even the current P4 in some cases! Not to mention that the Athlon 64 3200+ fares even worse. I mean really, this is a next-generation product pitted against a core that Intel has had out for about two years (albeit the latest revision)... it should be expected to slaughter the P4 in most cases, and anything less is not good news for AMD.

 

[us3rnotfound]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
I have to think intel is the winner, strategically, even if it's a tactical tie. Intel has the answer for the AMD highly touted A64, and more people know about intel than AMD, because of intel marketing's machine. Intel has spend millions of bucks on ads so that people are willing shell out more money to buy an intel system (I have friends who believe their internet connection is faster because they got a P4 system

). Now AMD is going to charge the same amount of money for each processor as intel's, yet most people on the street don't know anything about the Athlon 64.

And most people "on the street" could care less about a computer.

 

[us3rnotfound]

Originally posted by: brettjrob
I really feel bad for AMD after seeing this. I own an Intel, but I don't want to see AMD get wiped off the face of the earth, which looks to be a possibility given this. I mean the super-expensive, limited quantity, dual-channel, top-of-the-line next-gen FX51 can hardly keep up with a Northwood with extra cache, and even the current P4 in some cases! Not to mention that the Athlon 64 3200+ fares even worse. I mean really, this is a next-generation product pitted against a core that Intel has had out for about two years (albeit the latest revision)... it should be expected to slaughter the P4 in most cases, and anything less is not good news for AMD.

Don't go too far there.

It's not like AMD is in as deep of sh!t as Nvidia is in right now.

 

[illuminati]

Originally posted by: KraziKid
My balls just receded into my uterus. And I don't even HAVE a frickin uterus! - M4H in response to pressure needed to pop a testicle

All I have to say is: "WTF"!

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: brettjrob
I really feel bad for AMD after seeing this. I own an Intel, but I don't want to see AMD get wiped off the face of the earth, which looks to be a possibility given this. I mean the super-expensive, limited quantity, dual-channel, top-of-the-line next-gen FX51 can hardly keep up with a Northwood with extra cache, and even the current P4 in some cases! Not to mention that the Athlon 64 3200+ fares even worse. I mean really, this is a next-generation product pitted against a core that Intel has had out for about two years (albeit the latest revision)... it should be expected to slaughter the P4 in most cases, and anything less is not good news for AMD.

Let's wait for tomorrows benchmarks, as there are several obscure points in this review..... the P4 beating the Athlon 64 FX in syntethic memory benchmark.......? By that amount? It should be very very close at worst for the AMD .......

Also, remember the willamete launch? The worst case for AMD is to have a willamete-like performance, but as I said, let's wait...... this review shows results totally opposite to a leaked report where the A64 3200+ scored over 20k in 3Dmark2001, closer to 30k overclocked and almost 600 fps in Q3...... So, let's evaluate the platforms and the benchmarks used after we see the results. We have waited several months, let's wait just a few hours more......

 

[wetcat007]

I don't really take that as a trustworthy source for information.. I'm gunna be waiting a few days for websites i trust to do reviews... The other thing is, the AMD never lost, it lost on some, while the P4 won on others. I'm not sure why so many people seem happy that intel would win, prices will go WAY up if AMD goes away...........

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: Pirox
Sorry to spoil your fun guys but i mailed the editor and he could not get ECC DDR-400 to work...See here..

Good notice, but if anything, ECC will slow it down a little. Why? Because ECC memory requires a little more work.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: AgaBooga

Originally posted by: Pirox
Sorry to spoil your fun guys but i mailed the editor and he could not get ECC DDR-400 to work...See here..

Good notice, but if anything, ECC will slow it down a little. Why? Because ECC memory requires a little more work.

umm wasnt the pc2700 ecc also???? i thought the fx HAD to be run with ECC ram. just the guy couldnt get the 400mhz speed to be accepted by the motherboard???

MIKE

 

[0roo0roo]

if true, then amd chip prices will drop. still good for me.

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: shminu

Originally posted by: brettjrob
I really feel bad for AMD after seeing this. I own an Intel, but I don't want to see AMD get wiped off the face of the earth, which looks to be a possibility given this. I mean the super-expensive, limited quantity, dual-channel, top-of-the-line next-gen FX51 can hardly keep up with a Northwood with extra cache, and even the current P4 in some cases! Not to mention that the Athlon 64 3200+ fares even worse. I mean really, this is a next-generation product pitted against a core that Intel has had out for about two years (albeit the latest revision)... it should be expected to slaughter the P4 in most cases, and anything less is not good news for AMD.

Don't go too far there.

It's not like AMD is in as deep of sh!t as Nvidia is in right now.

Nvidia is still making a profit, can't say the same for AMD.

 

[nowayout99]

I don't remember hearing AMD talk much about how well the A64 can scale. How well DO they scale? For all we know, we could be seeing a P3/P4-type fiasco with these first A64 models...? Just a thought. I know nothing of the sort. But it would be nice if they could scale and catch up some more down the road.