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P4C800-E Deluxe Nightmare...2

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GhandiInstinct

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First time I build this system, it's restarting left and right. Usually on hard drive intensive tasks. I start playing games and at random times it will either quit or reboot the entire system. So, I figured it was a psu problem. Replaced the PSU, same issues. Figured it was an audio problem, took out my audigy used on board, same results. System is as follows:

P4C800-E Deluxe
3.2ghz p4 runs between 28-36 celcius
1GB corsair 2.5cas value select 3200
9800pro 4.11 catalyst
Raptor - been reformated countless times to no avail
audigy 1
samsung dvd 16x
TT 480watt pure power xaser edition psu(had raidmax 420 before)
Tsunami Case

I've deduced so much, can't be motherboard damage or else I wouldn't be able to start it or system would be completely unstable. Once again, I'm playing these games at high settings and all and sometimes for a long while and other times for minutes. I have Windows XP Pro with SP2.

UPDATE*** I believe since this is only occuring while I play graphic intensive games such as NFSU2 and Half Life 2, the problem is the AGP card. I don't understand how though since I've tried a 9600XT along with the 9800pro, what could be the problem?
 
What memory voltage are you using? If it's at default, then try raising it to 2.7 volts and then do some of the stuff that would provoke a reboot. The Windows Event Viewer in Control Panel > Performance & Maintenance > Administrative Tools might also have something that could shed light on it.

As for the Audigy, if you put it in PCI slot 1 and leave slot 5 vacant, or vice versa, it will have its chipset IRQs to itself, according to Asus's table on page 2-15 of the manual I'm looking at. You might as well disable the motherboard's own Gameport, MIDI, Firewire and audio features since the Audigy has all of those. Are there any other cards in there, by the way?
 
I don't see any option to raise the ram voltage in bios. No there are no more cards in there. I'll try PCI slot one. Actually, putting it in slot one would block the 9800pro fan.
 
Originally posted by: GhandiInstinct
I don't see any option to raise the ram voltage in bios. No there are no more cards in there. I'll try PCI slot one. Actually, putting it in slot one would block the 9800pro fan.
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Use slot 5 then 🙂 And here are your instructions on raising that voltage. I think that'll still work, give it a try.

 
Ok, I think I've found the problem. I might have installed the incorrect chipset driver. On my Mobo cd there were two folders - Intel e7505 and Intel i8xx. I chose 8xx. Is this the forsaken mistake!!!!??!?!?

Also, on the Intel site for chipset drivers which do I choose?

I downloaded and installed the latest chipset on there.

I got the same crash in HL2, "Reference memory 0x"
 
The 8xx ones ought to be right, since your mobo's the 875 chipset 😕 Out of curiosity, what is your AGP Aperture set for, because I would try boosting that to 256MB or 512MB if it were me. The fact you're getting problems in high-end games is what brought that to mind.

Could you give Memtest86 an overnight run tonight? It does a repeating test cycle of the memory using a bunch of different tests, and runs from either a boot CD or boot floppy as you prefer, which gets Windows and drivers out of the equation. Since it can take a while to run one loop when you have a lot of RAM, it would make a good overnight project.
 
The flash didnt help. It still crashes, and when it does what happens is the screen goes blank and the last sound made just keeps repeating as the monitor shuts off, I have to manually reset it. But after that once windows quickly boots up, after all loads it auto resets...

It's happened several times now that I start up windows and in desktop once everything is trying to load it restarts, could this by faulty motherboard? It has trouble detecting devices?
 
I think I found the problem. I was just scrolling through a web page and bam! My system hangs, then the monitor goes to 8bit colors with the error "Your display driver has stopped responding." Now what does this exactly entail?
 
According to the manual, the blue slots would be fine, that would get you dual-channel operation. Asus doesn't seem to have a bias for the blue versus the black slots on this board, unlike some.

Memtest is pretty simple, download the thing they're offering and run it. It makes a bootable Memtest floppy. You then boot the computer from that floppy and start it testing and go to bed. Or you can download their .ISO and burn it, and you get a bootable CD-ROM that does the same.

Anyway, regarding the apparent AGP issue... wish I knew what to recommend 😕 Perhaps try a different video driver version?
 
Crash to desktop while playing games with sound still going is a sign of graphics card overheat.
Are you overclocking your graphics card?

It is always a good idea to confirm the stability of your system in this order:

1- memtest for RAM overnight.

2- prime95 overnight for CPU.


If your RAM and CPU are both stable, that crash has to be caused by the graphics card overheating.
Reduce your graphics card ovetrclock.
If you are not overclocking, you need to improve the case cooling and/or the graphics card cooling.


While running prime95, use a digital volt meter to measure the voltages of your supply to make sure that your PSU has enough juice.
 
It's not overclocked, and the mobo is at 20c constant its very cool. What voltage should the agp be at? And how do I check the temp of my gpu?
 
The AGP voltage is advised to be set at 1.6V.

Check the GPU heatsink right after a crash. You'll see how hot it is.
 
I checked the voltage in BIOS and its set to 1.5, so it can't possibly be an overheating issue.

I need a program to check the temp, it might very well be overheating. ATI tools doesn't show it on 9800pros.
 
Originally posted by: GhandiInstinct
I checked the voltage in BIOS and its set to 1.5, so it can't possibly be an overheating issue.

I need a program to check the temp, it might very well be overheating. ATI tools doesn't show it on 9800pros.
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That voltage does not tell you anything about overheating!
It may improve stability if you set it to 1.6V. Or, it may not!

There is no program that can show the temperature of a 9800 pro. This is because there are no sensors on that graphics card.

Your best bet is to do as you have been told to confirm that you have a stable RAM and a stable CPU and a good power supply.
After that, if your problem continues, you will need to improve the cooling for your graphics card.

Good luck!
 
I stated before I replaced the faulty Raidmax 420 with a TT480 which has given me no problems like before. It's fine. The ram has nothing to do with display drivers failing to respond, and I've done a pc probe recording history on the cpu and it never got over 50c. I have to figure out what in that agp port could be causing these problems.

I should note. On the port where there was a small sticker stating "Do not peel off unless you have an AGP PRO card" I did that to see what was underneath, there was a little plastic piece. I never moved it just looked at it.
 
UPDATE***

I ran ATI tools artifacts test on my 9600XT which has temperature sensors. Results:

Highest gpu temperature 53 for 200 seconds.

the gpu enviornment temp stayed at 32-33 degrees.

The card idles on desktop at 32-33 gpu temp and 30 for enviornment.

My cpu got up to 46 during the test.

UPDATE*** Next crash sighting, cpu reached 50 degrees. Keep in mind my Tsunamis interior and motherboard temperature is 20 degrees, how can there be such a gap?
 
Ok guys, I'm back with Prime95 results:

All 3 tests failed on me. The results errors:

Fatal Error: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4 hardware failure detected.

This was constant on all 3 types of tests on torture test setting. What is the hardware thats not working?
 
The memory itself, the memory controllers in the northbridge, or the CPU. So you raised your memory voltage, is that correct? (sorry, can't re-read the whole thread 😱)
 
Yes, I tried 2.65 and .75. What can fix this problem. It's like a 4th dimension conspiracy.

My error messages again:

Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz
CPU speed: 3198.43 MHz
CPU features: RDTSC, CMOV, PREFETCH, MMX, SSE, SSE2
L1 cache size: 8 KB
L2 cache size: 512 KB
L1 cache line size: 64 bytes
L2 cache line size: 128 bytes
TLBS: 64
Prime95 version 23.8, RdtscTiming=1
Best time for 384K FFT length: 11.162 ms.
Best time for 448K FFT length: 13.304 ms.
Best time for 512K FFT length: 15.211 ms.
Best time for 640K FFT length: 18.164 ms.
Best time for 768K FFT length: 22.137 ms.
Best time for 896K FFT length: 26.198 ms.
Best time for 1024K FFT length: 29.336 ms.
Best time for 1280K FFT length: 38.245 ms.
Best time for 1536K FFT length: 47.267 ms.
Best time for 1792K FFT length: 56.211 ms.
FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
[Thu Nov 25 02:26:36 2004]
FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
 
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