P4 2.4 & x800xl = another year of 1024x768 gaming?

[KenSimone]

I currently have a P4 2.4ghz AGP system w/ a Radeon 9800pro. I'm considering getting a little more mileage out of my current setup by getting the AGP x800xl that's on clearance at ATI's web site for $119. I was just wondering if anyone wanted to venture a guess as to how long it might last me, if I'm OK w/ playing games at 1024x768, medium settings, no AA/AF.

Thanks,
Ken

 

[Nightmare225]

Yes, that's about right. For about a year, a little after Vista's release.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

You will be able to play many games currently out@higher res and settings than that. It'll be fine for holding out another year with your stated settings.

 

[unfalliblekrutch]

yup, you should be good. Newegg has a x800gto for around the same price, also AGP, but open box. You might wanna give that a look too.

 

[akshayt]

X800XL is itself not great, and 2.4ghz is even worse, does it even have HT?

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

In case you can then I should be able to do 12X10 MAX 4x AA 16X AF, right that too for games of the future like UT07, Bioshock and Crysis.

 

[potato28]

What P4 core is it?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: akshayt
X800XL is itself not great, and 2.4ghz is even worse, does it even have HT?

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

In case you can then I should be able to do 12X10 MAX 4x AA 16X AF, right that too for games of the future like UT07, Bioshock and Crysis.

Do you know anything about pcs?

P42.4 is northwood only, also HT was not available on that processor at that speed. Also the northwood is faster than prescott clock for clock due to the lack of netburst. Edit: also HT slows games down slightly since most games are not multithreaded.

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....delx=33&model1=313&model2=300&chart=79

perfectly playable

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: akshayt
X800XL is itself not great, and 2.4ghz is even worse, does it even have HT?

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

In case you can then I should be able to do 12X10 MAX 4x AA 16X AF, right that too for games of the future like UT07, Bioshock and Crysis.

Do you know anything about pcs?

P42.4 is northwood only, also HT was not available on that processor at that speed. Also the northwood is faster than prescott clock for clock due to the lack of netburst.

Ut2007 demos were renedered a while ago on sli 6800 ultras at 30fps 640x480 highest x800xl will not do 12x104xaa 16af.

After this, I say your good for a few months before u'll need to lower res to 800x600... if MS doesnt kill pc gaming by then...

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: akshayt
X800XL is itself not great, and 2.4ghz is even worse, does it even have HT?

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

In case you can then I should be able to do 12X10 MAX 4x AA 16X AF, right that too for games of the future like UT07, Bioshock and Crysis.

Do you know anything about pcs?

P42.4 is northwood only, also HT was not available on that processor at that speed. Also the northwood is faster than prescott clock for clock due to the lack of netburst.

Ut2007 demos were renedered a while ago on sli 6800 ultras at 30fps 640x480 highest x800xl will not do 12x104xaa 16af.

Don't pay attention to him, it's his weird on/off Ati Fanboyism.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: akshayt
X800XL is itself not great, and 2.4ghz is even worse, does it even have HT?

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

In case you can then I should be able to do 12X10 MAX 4x AA 16X AF, right that too for games of the future like UT07, Bioshock and Crysis.

Do you know anything about pcs?

P42.4 is northwood only, also HT was not available on that processor at that speed. Also the northwood is faster than prescott clock for clock due to the lack of netburst.

Ut2007 demos were renedered a while ago on sli 6800 ultras at 30fps 640x480 highest x800xl will not do 12x104xaa 16af.

After this, I say your good for a few months before u'll need to lower res to 800x600... if MS doesnt kill pc gaming by then...

this is where drivers come in. Oc a bit, use performance setting in rendering, use optomizations and he will be able to do 10x7 no aa mediium settings for a decent while. I was doing AOE3 medium-high on my 9800pro 128mb modded to xt with the proper tweaks. 45fps average easily playable and good looking. Of course i have a 2.4a64 but the processor dosent hamper much when you are gpu limited.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: akshayt
X800XL is itself not great, and 2.4ghz is even worse, does it even have HT?

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

In case you can then I should be able to do 12X10 MAX 4x AA 16X AF, right that too for games of the future like UT07, Bioshock and Crysis.

Do you know anything about pcs?

P42.4 is northwood only, also HT was not available on that processor at that speed. Also the northwood is faster than prescott clock for clock due to the lack of netburst.

Ut2007 demos were renedered a while ago on sli 6800 ultras at 30fps 640x480 highest x800xl will not do 12x104xaa 16af.

Pay no attention to asshat. He is just an amusing whipping boy for the video forum crowd. He is one big PICNIC.

 

[KenSimone]

Thanks for all the replies. To answer a few questions, I have a P4 2.4B, 533fsb, no hyper threading. I can play most games pretty comfortably right now at 1024x768 and medium settings, but a few struggle. I haven't tried Oblivion yet.

I'll probably get the x800xl and see if I can limp along for another year or so. For $119 minus whatever I can ebay my 9800pro for, it's a pretty cheap upgrade. When I first built my system (March 2003!), I overclocked it to 3ghz just to see if I could. It did w/o problems (I have a Zalman CPU cooler), so that might buy me a little time as well.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
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Originally posted by: akshayt
X800XL is itself not great, and 2.4ghz is even worse, does it even have HT?

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

In case you can then I should be able to do 12X10 MAX 4x AA 16X AF, right that too for games of the future like UT07, Bioshock and Crysis.
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Do you know anything about pcs?

P42.4 is northwood only, also HT was not available on that processor at that speed. Also the northwood is faster than prescott clock for clock due to the lack of netburst. Edit: also HT slows games down slightly since most games are not multithreaded.


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I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.
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http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....delx=33&model1=313&model2=300&chart=79

perfectly playable

Wrong, actually the HT technology was incorporated at that speed with 2 different cores. 1 - The Netburst is the name of the architecture in which the Pentium 4 is based, so the "lack of Netburst is a disparate"
2 - There's about 4 models of the Pentium 4 based on the 2.4GHz Spec, the 2.4A (533MHz FSB, Prescott based, No HT) , the 2.4B (533MHz FSB, Northwood based, No HT) the 2.4C (800MHz FSB, Northwood based, HT) and the 2.4E (800MHz FSB, Prescott based, HT)
3 - The Northwood core is more efficient than the Prescott in a per clock basis because the Prescott's deeper pipelines that makes it worse for normal applications that requires jumps, subroutines and branch predictions like games and Word etc, but is more suitable for heavy linear applications like Encoding, a bit faster multi tasking performance due to it's optimized HT support and horrible power consumption and heat dissipation.
4 - The X800XL is quite powerful, even today can play current powerful games like Fear and Oblivion at decent speed and resolutions, even faster than the 6800GT in those games, quite strange eh?
5 - HT can slow downs games a bit because of the lack of support of SMT in games, but you can reduce the gap a bit if you select the CPU Affinity for the game.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: akshayt
X800XL is itself not great, and 2.4ghz is even worse, does it even have HT?

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

In case you can then I should be able to do 12X10 MAX 4x AA 16X AF, right that too for games of the future like UT07, Bioshock and Crysis.

what is your IQ?

 

[cmrmrc]

i think you can defintely last a year, im currently playing most new games at 12x10 high 2XAA with my x700pro...except oblivion where i think im very cpu limited

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Do you know anything about pcs?

P42.4 is northwood only, also HT was not available on that processor at that speed. Also the northwood is faster than prescott clock for clock due to the lack of netburst. Edit: also HT slows games down slightly since most games are not multithreaded.

euh sorry but 2.4ghz does have HT, the C model has HT...and yes there is a prescott 2.4ghz

 

[Makaveli]

I would say your fine, with a X800XL, one question why are u not overclocking that p4, if u can get it to atleast 3-3.2 that would add nicely to your gaming experience.

 

[KenSimone]

Originally posted by: Makaveli
I would say your fine, with a X800XL, one question why are u not overclocking that p4, if u can get it to atleast 3-3.2 that would add nicely to your gaming experience.

Would it really? It didn't seem to make much of a difference in the few games I tried (was a while ago - I think Splinter Cell Chaos Theory was the last game I tried overclocking for -- I think I got maybe 2-4 extra fps when going from 2.4->3ghz). It definately didn't seem worth potentially shortening the life of the CPU for. This is actually why I thought I might be able to squeak by w/ my slower CPU and a more modern video card. At the resolutions and settings I play at, it didn't seem like I was CPU bound.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: akshayt
X800XL is itself not great, and 2.4ghz is even worse, does it even have HT?

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

In case you can then I should be able to do 12X10 MAX 4x AA 16X AF, right that too for games of the future like UT07, Bioshock and Crysis.

Do you know anything about pcs?

P42.4 is northwood only, also HT was not available on that processor at that speed. Also the northwood is faster than prescott clock for clock due to the lack of netburst. Edit: also HT slows games down slightly since most games are not multithreaded.

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....delx=33&model1=313&model2=300&chart=79

perfectly playable

HUH? my 2.4 P4 has HT and 800MHZ fsb

 

[GeeFizzleDizzle]

Originally posted by: akshayt
X800XL is itself not great, and 2.4ghz is even worse, does it even have HT?

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

In case you can then I should be able to do 12X10 MAX 4x AA 16X AF, right that too for games of the future like UT07, Bioshock and Crysis.

The more you post, the stupider you seem.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Originally posted by: akshayt
X800XL is itself not great, and 2.4ghz is even worse, does it even have HT?

I don't think you can even play the current games at those settings.

In case you can then I should be able to do 12X10 MAX 4x AA 16X AF, right that too for games of the future like UT07, Bioshock and Crysis.

I spent like 5 minutes reading this post and I still don't understand the point behind it.

 

[Nightmare225]

I didn't think it was worth spending any time trying to decipher it.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: KenSimone
I have a P4 2.4B

I'll probably get the x800xl and see if I can limp along for another year or so

Do it. Overclock the CPU and GPU. If you're concerned with longetivity, find the max overclock on them and then take the average of max and normal, and run it there.

BTW, I have a 2.53GHz P4 that has been enjoying an 800MHz overclock (3.33GHz) for several years. IIRC the people with SNDS (Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome) BITD with the 1.6A and 1.8A chips were using voltages that they were accustomed to on 180nm chips and not 130nm chips, meaning too much overvolting.

Originally posted by: evolucion8
2 - There's about 4 models of the Pentium 4 based on the 2.4GHz Spec, the 2.4A (533MHz FSB, Prescott based, No HT) , the 2.4B (533MHz FSB, Northwood based, No HT) the 2.4C (800MHz FSB, Northwood based, HT) and the 2.4E (800MHz FSB, Prescott based, HT)

I don't recall ever seeing a 2.4E. IIRC lowest Prescott with HT was the 2.8E.

BTW, there was a 2.4 - yes, no ABCEWHATEVER after it. It was on the nominal 400MHz FSB. I used to own one, gave it to my in-laws. Ran it on a rare mATX AOpen board with 845D chipset. Rare in that it was mATX with no IGP.

 

[hmorphone]

I would go for it. I know I've enjoyed my X800XL. Be warned that the XL's aren't very good overclockers, but I don't think that will be a problem for you. While I support overclocking, I've noticed that often overclocking a CPU or GPU only results in a gain of a few fps in many of the games in question. Given this, it seems to make common sense that you're trying to balance your equipments lifespan with any gains you may make. The X800XL has in it's favor:

1) Doesn't require a separate power connection or a huge power supply
2) Comes with all 16 pipes unlocked (don't have to worry about how well a GTO will mod)
3) Only takes up a single slot and is a reasonably short card
4) Reasonably quiet stock cooling
5) Should be able to break 5000 in 3DMark05