P3 1.0GB .vs Celeron 1.3GB?

[drx9175l]

I've done an exhaustive search to find out as much info on these two processors as possible. Of course this has left me with no way of choosing one over the other. I'm looking for opinions and reasons behind them. They're close to each other in price locally, $140 and $124 respectively. Both are retail boxed. I'm also checking Pricewatch, but shipping and wait time usually kill most deals there. No matter what the outcome, the CPU will be run on an Abit VH6-T then cooled by a Alpha PAL6035 with 80mm fan and adapter.

As far as I can tell, the only advantage the P3 has is the faster FSB. But the Celeron is on the new 0.13 micron Tualatin core that uses less power (less heat). Is the better chip somehow the lower priced one?:Q

 

[bacillus]

if your m/board is tualatin compatible the go with the celeron which should o/clock nicely!
btw you can also get a 100fsb p3 1GHz OEM cpu which should o/clock to 124fsb reasonibly easily.

 

[MilkPowderR]

drx9175l
Or it might be better if you go with Tualatin Celeron 1.0Ghz. You will enjoy the High FSB with it cauze it will allow you. 140s- to mid 140s very doable.

I'm not quite sure about Celery 1.3A.. If it can do 133fsb, then great!! but I doubt it will easily do that range. You might suffer from the lower fsb unless you go with supercooling.

P3 1000E cD0 SL5QV is another good type of chip. Many of them OC like mad dog. I've seen most of owners doing 1333- 1360mhz+ without supercooling, just air.

 

[drx9175l]

Forgot to mention in original message that I'm not looking to O/C, but the board has all the right options if I decide to later on. System will be used primarly for games. Thanks.

 

[oldfart]

I'd say without overclocking, the PIIIEB 1G will be faster with the higher FSB. With overclocking included, the C1.0A will easily hit 133 - 140+ FSB, and will pass the PIIIEB.

 

[Zap]

I have both a P3 1000/100 SL5QV and a Celeron 1.0A. They both run 100MHz FSB and both can OC to 1300. The Celeron will actually POST at around 1470, but sometimes locks on POST at that speed. The P3 will barely POST around 1400. At 1300, the Celeron runs barely over room temperature with an Intel retail-box HSF. The P3 at the same speed created major heat. A Globalwin FOP38 couldn't keep it cool enough. Volcano 7 does, barely. Coolermaster HHC-001 copper with heatpipe did a great job, but it still ran a bit hotter than the Celeron, and a whole bit LOUDER. The Celeron was $77 retail-box from Newegg and the P3 was about $145 OEM from Compgeeks. Both have 256k 8-way set associative cache. P3 is on .18 micron process, Tualatin Celeron is on .13. Tualatins have prefetch.

My recommendation? Since you already have a Tualatin-ready mobo, get the Celeron 1.0A and OC it to 1300+.

 

[SonicTron]

<< I have both a P3 1000/100 SL5QV and a Celeron 1.0A. They both run 100MHz FSB and both can OC to 1300. The Celeron will actually POST at around 1470, but sometimes locks on POST at that speed. The P3 will barely POST around 1400. At 1300, the Celeron runs barely over room temperature with an Intel retail-box HSF. The P3 at the same speed created major heat. A Globalwin FOP38 couldn't keep it cool enough. Volcano 7 does, barely. Coolermaster HHC-001 copper with heatpipe did a great job, but it still ran a bit hotter than the Celeron, and a whole bit LOUDER. The Celeron was $77 retail-box from Newegg and the P3 was about $145 OEM from Compgeeks. Both have 256k 8-way set associative cache. P3 is on .18 micron process, Tualatin Celeron is on .13. Tualatins have prefetch.

My recommendation? Since you already have a Tualatin-ready mobo, get the Celeron 1.0A and OC it to 1300+. >>



So do you notice any speed difference? The tualatin celeron is faster right?

 

[oldfart]

The Tually Celeron has data prefetch which will give it the edge over a PIII at the same clockspeed/FSB.

 

[DClark]

Without overclocking, the Coppermine P3 would be faster. Tom's Hardware did an article with the Tualatin Celeron 1.2Ghz (found here) which also had P3 1Ghz benches; the 1.3Ghz Celeron should be marginally faster than the 1.2Ghz version.

But if you're not overclocking, the Tom's Hardware review above includes another processor you should think about; the Tualatin P3 1.13Ghz. With Intel's price cuts late January, they're getting a bit more reasonably priced. Pricewatch.com has the retail P3 1.13Ghz at around $160usd; my local computer store sells it for $259cdn (which translates to roughly $163usd), so you should be able to find it in your area for around that price. The performance difference between the Tualatin P3 1.13Ghz and the Coppermine 1Ghz P3 is akin to the performance difference between the Coppermine 1Ghz P3 and the Tualatin Celeron 1.2Ghz, so I think it's a reasonable option if you're going the socket 370 route.

 

[Zap]

<< So do you notice any speed difference? The tualatin celeron is faster right? >>


I haven't had them long enough. I got the P3 to extend the life of my BX chipset system. The specs of the systems are totally different, and thus I cannot make a comparison for performance. However, I _can_ say that the Celeron runs much cooler, making for a very quiet system. Here are the specs:

P3 1000/100@1300
Abit BX133-RAID mobo
256MB CL2
dual 7200RPM drives, RAID-0
etc.

Celeron 1.0A@1333
Abit VH6-T mobo
512MB CL3
single 5400RPM drive
etc.


<< Without overclocking, the Coppermine P3 would be faster. Tom's Hardware...

But if you're not overclocking, the Tom's Hardware review above includes another processor you should think about; the Tualatin P3 1.13Ghz. With Intel's price cuts late January, they're getting a bit more reasonably priced. Pricewatch.com has the retail P3 1.13Ghz at around $160usd >>


Yes, the P3 did better in many benchmarks. I think the big difference is FSB speed. At the same speeds, the Tualatin P3 would be faster than the Coppermine P3, right? Has anyone done such a comparison using identical equipment with a Coppermine 1000/133 and a Tualatin 1000/133? There is an overlap at that speed, as well as 1133. There is also a 512k cache version of the Tualatin, but it seems intentionally priced above faster products such as the Northwood 1.6A and 1.8A chips.


<< The Tually Celeron has data prefetch which will give it the edge over a PIII at the same clockspeed/FSB. >>


I think that is the key. Reading up on the specs of the Tualatin versions of the P3 and Celeron, except for the 512k cache version of the P3, they both have 256k 8-way set associative cache, .13 micron process, data prefetch.... are there any differences whatsoever? Well, FSB is one, plus I've heard somewhere that Intel put a cache latency on the Celeron. However, increase the FSB to 133 on the Celeron and reduce the cache latency (some boards let you do this) and the two chips ARE INDEED IDENTICAL. Since the Tualatin P3 is faster than the Coppermine P3, this would make the overclocked/tweaked Tualatin Celeron faster than a similar speed/FSB Coppermine P3. Of course, you can start with a 133FSB P3 (Coppermine or Tualatin) and overclock to a higher FSB, but you risk potential problems due to non-standard FSB speeds.

BACK TO the original question by drx9175l... my belief is that he should get a Celeron 1.0A and overclock it. I have that CPU on the same mobo he has, and it is an easy OC, even with the retail-box HSF. With a 1.0A@1333, the P3 loses it's FSB advantage. Also, compared to a P3 Coppermine running at default speeds, the Celeron at 1333 runs cooler. Here are other reasons for my recommendation:

-Celeron 1.0A is $77 versus $140-160 for P3 1000 whether Coppermine or Tualatin
-Celeron is pretty much an easy OC to 1333, some have gotten over 1400
-Coppermine P3 gets REALLY REALLY hot overclocked to 1200-1300, and may or may not be stable
-Tualatin P3 probably OCs as easy as Celeron, but you risk various FSB probs
-Socket 370 doesn't have as much of a future as other interfaces, so he probably should waste as much on it

 

[rogue1979]

We have all the tech support you need right here. Save yourself some money and get the 1.0A Celeron. Use the vid-pin trick and put it on a 133MHz fsb. Pci/agp will be at stock, and the cpu will be loafing at 1333MHz.