So what is legall to download from a P2P network and what is illegal, so that I am not downlading illegal files.
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Just about everything on there is illegal or can be. I can't really think of anything that isn't illegal P2P networks. Unless it's maybe a game demo.
shortylickens
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Anything that is copyrighted is illegal to download.
Which is MOST of what you'll find on P2P networks.
I know classical music and Linux ISO's are legal. Not sure about anything else.
Demos and freeware, but those are easily available from websites.
Check out www.slyck.com for better info.
Which is MOST of what you'll find on P2P networks.
I know classical music and Linux ISO's are legal. Not sure about anything else.
Demos and freeware, but those are easily available from websites.
Check out www.slyck.com for better info.
shortylickens
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Damn, theres another SOB who doesnt read.Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
You know Linux and their ISOs are generally copyrighted, right?
I already talked about non-copyrighted stuff being availalble on the WWW.
There are literally Petabytes of Linux ISO's to be found for free. All you need to do is right-click and select Save As.....
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Damn, theres another SOB who doesnt read.Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
You know Linux and their ISOs are generally copyrighted, right?
I already talked about non-copyrighted stuff being availalble on the WWW.
There are literally Petabytes of Linux ISO's to be found for free. All you need to do is right-click and select Save As.....
You said, and I quote: "Anything that is copyrighted is illegal to download." This is wrong. Linux is copyrighted, GNU tools are copyrighted, BSD stuff is copyrighted. But aren't illegal to download. If you try to simplify things too much you're going to screw it up.
I heard some people saying that downloading episodes that they miss is legal. Like episodes of lost, but I had my doubts. So is that legal or illegal.
I heard of ppl online getting letters/emails from their ISP for downloading TV episodes. Can't remember which though. Normally when a ISP sends you a letter/email it's because someone complained to them.
I frequently watch Jay Leno but on school nights I sometimes fall asleep so I just download it the next day. I can't imagine there's any problem with that. I could have recorded it at my house anyway, but others are already doing it out of kindness. Last time I checked, demodulating an 8VSB terrestrial waveform wasn't illegal. No DMCA there. Then comes fair use, and then it's legal. The broadcast flag hasn't gone through yet either. And I am paying the same price for downloading it as I am watching it: nothing. I have a terrestrial ATSC HDTV tuner, and I use an antenna to receive local HDTV stations, including Jay Leno from NBC. Downloading that stream does not hurt NBC or any other entity in any way since I could have watched it myself but was just too lazy to record it.
it's like all other crimes. it's not illegal until you get caught. and if you have en enough money, it doesn't matter what crime you commit, you can buy your way out. atleast in the great USA you can.
sure it does. you won't be buying the dvd, since you have a digital recording of it at good quality. plus, the studios are just now catching on that the tv episode download market is huge. until they come out with a viable alternative, i will probably continue download episodes.
Who said anything about DVDs? (My point is I could have watched or recorded the show myself anyway for the same price (nothing), so why does it matter? They are trying to leech money off you with every excuse they can possibly come up with.)
If anything the guy who took the time to record and upload it deserves my money, not NBC. In the case of the iPod video downloadables, it so happens NBC is also recording them, converting them to MPEG-4, and getting them to market so they do deserve my money in that case. That's for labor, not for the show itself. I don't normally pay for the show (to watch off antenna), why do I suddenly have to now? I could have taped it, but some nice guy on the net already did for me and isn't asking anything for it.
If someone didn't receive NBC free off the air I could see where it might be a problem (though still darn weak since he could just get the show off his friend).
It's not illegal (as far as I know) to tape a regular TV show you knew your friend was going to miss (but could have gotten if he was home) and then copy the tape and give it to him (if you both wanted copies). Why would it be with HDTV?
A lot of labor is involved in making "Season DVDs" and as far as I know all I'm paying for is the labor of assembling all those recordings and I have no problem paying for that. I wouldn't want to be the person putting all those together.
Sorry but you are wrong. It is illegal to rebroadcast or make copies for distrobution. networks make their money on advertising. The local affliate that sends the OTA siginal to your house also makes money on advertising. When you download it off the net this advertising is cut out.
Rationalize it anyway you want. Downloading TV shows is illegal.
Rationalize it anyway you want. Downloading TV shows is illegal.
No read what I wrote. Copying for personal use is ok. It's when you distibute that copy it become illegal. This is what "fair use" is based on.
I mute them and usually just go take a crap or get something to eat when the ads come on anyway. What are they going to do now, sue me because I need to take a crap? All the ad-skip features on countless DVRs are also illegal? So fast-forwarding through ads in the show I taped on VHS last night is illegal too? FireFox+AdBlock combo is illegal as well? You're welcome any day to show me a law that states that ignoring/skipping advertising is illegal. If you do find one, I'll just have to suck it up and declare myself wrong. But until then I'm skeptical. And they will never be able to prove I deprived them of any money whatsoever.
Zeeky Boogy Doog
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Please read my post again. No wherer did I say DVRs are illegal. You can make a copy for personal use. What I was talking about was making copies for distribution. It is illegal to make a copy and then give it to someone else.
I anti-piracy for the most part... But after reading the restrictions on E-books... Nope, that is one thing I refuse to comply with. E-books cannot even be READ OUT LOUD!!! Or at least, it was that way 2 years ago... E-Books are the poop in my opinion... :-(
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Errr, why is classical music any different? Sure, the copyright on the music itself is normally long gone (if there ever was any), but the recording can still be restricted.
If you're talking about sheet music where the creator has not restricted the typesetting then sure, you're in the clear...
Huh ?
An E-Book isn't a standard or format with fixed rights or legal obligations. Some of them are plain HTML and freely distributable, for examples see Baen publishing or Accelerando (which is a good book btw).
Microsoft reader ebooks allows the creator to restrict the copy of a particular ebook to devices owned by a particular person and to prevent them being printed, as does mobipocket and adobe reader, but none of them require that the book be provided in such a format.
As for read out loud, are you sure you are not misinterpreting the microsoft reader restriction on using text to speech synthesis to read it to you ?
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