P2P filesharing. Ethical or not?

[FFactory0x]

What are your feelings on P2P filesharing?? Is it ethical or not? Why?

(Doing a study how individuals feel on the issue)

 

[Atheus]

'File sharing' or 'the sharing of files' is clearly ethical. The sharing of _copyrighted_ files is borderline. I say borderline because when you copy a file, the original owner still has it, so it's not stealing. It is definately something though... and that something is probably unethical

 

[AMDZen]

Does it have to be P2P? Does BT count as P2P? What makes P2P filesharing any different then other forms of filesharing? And lastly, WhoTF uses P2P filesharing anymore any way?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Filesharing of any type if one does not have permission to redistribute such information is wrong and illegal.

No gray area about it.

 

[FFactory0x]

Filesharing of any type. BT, etc

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Filesharing of any type if one does not have permission to redistribute such information is wrong and illegal.

No gray area about it.

Thats your opinion. There is plenty of room for gray area in other peoples opinions, and this includes the people creating the content. ie. Some artists actually encourage it in the music world, you see as many artists who aren't against it as you see those who are. You only hear about the people who are, unless you look under the radar. Its mainly the RIAA fighting for their own outdated and useless business model, they aren't fighting for the rights of the artists. This is with music sharing though, with other content I might agree - although there is still gray area, its also wrong on most levels

 

[jjones]

Filesharing is not only ethical, it's fun!

 

[Tab]

Absolutely not, it's not only illegal but immoral. Put yourself in the place of the artist/software/moive producer - you're fvcking themover.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Filesharing of any type if one does not have permission to redistribute such information is wrong and illegal.

No gray area about it.

Plenty of grey, legal and moral.

How can a product which is infinitely re-creatable for free be 'sold'? If your car was re-created every time it was driven out of the garage, would you mind if someone stole it? I wouldn't, I'd encourage it, I'd have a sign saying 'infinite cars!'

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Tab
Absolutely not, it's not only illegal but immoral. Put yourself in the place of the artist/software/moive producer - you're fvcking themover.

Programmers get paid the same regardless, as do actors and producers and everything. It is the distributors who lose out - but only because they have a flawed business model.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Tab
Absolutely not, it's not only illegal but immoral. Put yourself in the place of the artist/software/moive producer - you're fvcking themover.

Programmers get paid the same regardless, as do actors and producers and everything. It is the distributors who lose out - but only because they have a flawed business model.

Hah! That one is my favorite. You actually make it THEIR fault!

Oh man. Wow.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Tab
Absolutely not, it's not only illegal but immoral. Put yourself in the place of the artist/software/moive producer - you're fvcking themover.

Programmers get paid the same regardless, as do actors and producers and everything. It is the distributors who lose out - but only because they have a flawed business model.

:roll:

So that makes it right?

It weeds it's way back to the bottom, even if that means they hire 15 developers instead of 25 for a video game for example.

 

[0roo0roo]

depends on how you use it. course even if you use it to sample and then buy its still semi borderline, but its not as bad as being a total leech

 

[Forsythe]

It's not, but i don't think the current system in moviemaking is moral.
And i mostly buy things i really like and want to support.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Tab
Absolutely not, it's not only illegal but immoral. Put yourself in the place of the artist/software/moive producer - you're fvcking themover.

Programmers get paid the same regardless, as do actors and producers and everything. It is the distributors who lose out - but only because they have a flawed business model.

If the progammers product doesn't sell because everyone's getting it for free - the distributers and programmers both get ******.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Tab
Absolutely not, it's not only illegal but immoral. Put yourself in the place of the artist/software/moive producer - you're fvcking themover.

Programmers get paid the same regardless, as do actors and producers and everything. It is the distributors who lose out - but only because they have a flawed business model.

Hah! That one is my favorite. You actually make it THEIR fault!

Oh man. Wow.

Nobody is here to change anyone's mind on how they feel about filesharing.

But I agree with Atheus, it isn't flawed in the sense of the word - only outdated. We have no need for record companies anymore, and the RIAA knows it. Thats why they fight so hard, not because of some moral high ground - because they know unless they can form a different and actually NEEDED business model, they won't be around much longer. A cornered dog fights the hardest.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Tab
Absolutely not, it's not only illegal but immoral. Put yourself in the place of the artist/software/moive producer - you're fvcking themover.

Programmers get paid the same regardless, as do actors and producers and everything. It is the distributors who lose out - but only because they have a flawed business model.

Hah! That one is my favorite. You actually make it THEIR fault!

Oh man. Wow.

I don't make it anything. Imagine trying to sell broadcast radio stations - people would just pick them up for free, that's the nature of radio. That's why they advertise on the radio - it's an appropriate business model.

BTW - I buy software. I'm also a developer, and whenever I can, I give my work away for free.

 

[Eos]

I only download commercial music or programs to try before I buy. Really.

I download gb after gb of otherwise freely available material. Live audio and video concerts, WRC, television shows, radio shows, etc.

I have no problems downloading The Adam Carolla radio show because it's available for free, just not where I live.

 

[Amplifier]

It's stealing plain and simple. But the government steals a good chunk of my capital gains and wastes it on lazy people so fvck morality

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: eos
I only download commercial music or programs to try before I buy. Really.

I download gb after gb of otherwise freely available material. Live audio and video concerts, WRC, television shows, radio shows, etc.

I have no problems downloading The Adam Carolla radio show because it's available for free, just not where I live.

Good point, it's amazing what you can get legally. E.g. all BBC content is free, and much of it is available on the BBC website. That's Top Gear, Dr Who, all the good ones.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
It's stealing plain and simple. But the government steals a good chunk of my capital gains and wastes it on lazy people so fvck morality

You are _not_ helping the cause dude.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Filesharing of any type if one does not have permission to redistribute such information is wrong and illegal.

No gray area about it.

Ever lend your CDs, DVDs, VCRs out?

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: eos
I only download commercial music or programs to try before I buy. Really.

I download gb after gb of otherwise freely available material. Live audio and video concerts, WRC, television shows, radio shows, etc.

I have no problems downloading The Adam Carolla radio show because it's available for free, just not where I live.

I agree with this as well. If you record onto your TiVO a simpsons episode, and then FTP it to your PC and then share it - its fine. I download TV shows all the time and I don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong. With other things I agree its wrong, like most software and movies. I do own a copy of Windows XP, but I own two computers - I chose not to buy a second license because I disagree that I should have to. If I bought it, I should be able to put it on as many PCs as I own. This is just the way I feel, what is right or wrong in MS's mind isn't relevant to me.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Filesharing of any type if one does not have permission to redistribute such information is wrong and illegal.

No gray area about it.

So is it illegal to let your friend borrow your DVD's?
There's little difference from sending your friend a copy of a movie over the net and lending your friend a DVD.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: eos
I only download commercial music or programs to try before I buy. Really.

I download gb after gb of otherwise freely available material. Live audio and video concerts, WRC, television shows, radio shows, etc.

I have no problems downloading The Adam Carolla radio show because it's available for free, just not where I live.

I agree with this as well. If you record onto your TiVO a simpsons episode, and then FTP it to your PC and then share it - its fine. I download TV shows all the time and I don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong. With other things I agree its wrong, like most software and movies. I do own a copy of Windows XP, but I own two computers - I chose not to buy a second license because I disagree that I should have to. If I bought it, I should be able to put it on as many PCs as I own. This is just the way I feel, what is right or wrong in MS's mind isn't relevant to me.

Yea but you don't own Windows XP, you own a licence to use it, which you have violated. I'm not judging you, but that's not a good arguement. Just go with "Fight the man".

Edit: I agree with the TV show thing.