P&N'rs beloved BLS numbers "leaked" before Official release time causing Market volatility and scandal

dmcowen674

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Well duh, Bush was boasting about a "strong" Economy the night before and said "His" Policies are working and it's getting stronger. Snow said "I think we'll see that we are beginning to create a lot of new jobs." on Thursday.

I didn't realize the significance of that even until they showed it's like having a loaded pair of dice on the Stock Market:

It's obvious the numbers made it to Europe and then came back this way.

4-4-2004 Regulators Eyeing Possible Jobs Data Leak

The U.S. Labor Department and market regulators said on Friday they were looking into a possible leak of employment data because of significant moves in financial markets before official release of the report.

Some analysts are convinced the surprisingly robust jobs report was leaked before its official 8:30 a.m. EST embargo, causing unusually large price movements in financial markets bout two minutes before the official release time.

Bond, currency and stock futures markets all showed moves greater than the usual volatility that is often seen ahead of the release of closely watched economic data.

TRADERS SUSPICIOUS

Many market players believe the data began to leak into the market a few minutes before the official release time.

"You can see the price action. It smells like a leak and walks like a leak. It happened two minutes before the release ... You could see the euro was selling off against the dollar," said Monica Fan, chief currency strategist for Europe at Royal Bank of Canada.

Several groups of people get an early look at the payrolls report. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) officials have parts of the data for several days before it is released, but security at the agency is tight.

On the day before the release, the number is given to President Bush through his economic team, the Council of Economic Advisors. The BLS said it gives the data to no one else. Neither the Labor Secretary, Elaine Chao, or Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan, see the data ahead of its release, though it is widely believed Bush's advisors share the data with key cabinet and Fed officials so they can prepare a response.

Finally, 30 minutes before the 8:30 a.m. embargo, journalists are given the data in a locked room at the Labor Department. Communication is restricted and journalists agree not to transmit the data early.

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Reuters Denies Leaking Payrolls Report

More "wolf" from chicken little?

CkG
If you're calling yourself "Chicken Little", then yes, it appears so. You might want to get a handle on your knee-jerk compulsion to jump Dave about every single post he makes. The article he links mentions the techincal glitch with Reuters and that they did not violate the embargo. There is nothing in Dave's post suggesting anything different.

You owe Dave an apology.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Reuters Denies Leaking Payrolls Report

More "wolf" from chicken little?

CkG
If you're calling yourself "Chicken Little", then yes, it appears so. You might want to get a handle on your knee-jerk compulsion to jump Dave about every single post he makes. The article he links mentions the techincal glitch with Reuters and that they did not violate the embargo. There is nothing in Dave's post suggesting anything different.

You owe Dave an apology.

You obviously haven't read anything about this subject so I suggest you keep you suggestions as to what I should do to yourself.

""We're reviewing our procedures and reviewing today's lockup. We have no indication ... that there was indeed a leak," Labor Department spokesman Bob Zachariasiewicz told Reuters"

So yes - dave=chicken little and stating something that has not been proven - only claimed by a few. The numbers weren't "leaked" according to dave's article and same with mine.

"A spokesman at the U.S. Labor Department said it was not unusual for markets to move just before data is released as traders place last-minute bets on the numbers"

But yeah, we'll bleat about something as "fact" when it is only an allegation with plenty of plausible explainations. But on the off chance dave is right - I hope the people responsible for the leak are hung by their toe nails.

Now run along Bow - you are 0-2 in the last two days in your knee-jerk attempts to smear me.:)

CkG
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
[ ... ]
But yeah, we'll bleat about something as "fact" when it is only an allegation with plenty of plausible explainations. But on the off chance dave is right - I hope the people responsible for the leak are hung by their toe nails.

Now run along Bow - you are 0-2 in the last two days in your knee-jerk attempts to smear me.:)

CkG
You smear yourself Sir Cad. I just report.

BTW, Dave did not state this was a fact even though you (mis-)quoted him as saying it. This isn't the first time I've nailed you for inventing quotes. I'm sure you'll now explain how this is my fault too. You always do.
 

Michael

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Bowfinger,

Dave's title to this thread is a typical "chicken-little" title from him.

Michael
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
This affects my life...how? In any way...?
If you are an investor and if reports like this are sometimes leaked, then you are being played by other investors with inside information.

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Michael
Bowfinger,

Dave's title to this thread is a typical "chicken-little" title from him.

Michael
No argument there. Dave tends to get carried away with his titles.
 

etech

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What I get from this is the quick response in investigatating whether there was or was not a leak.

Combine that with the companies that are now being brought to justice after years of corruption and it seems that things are being cleaned up and running well.

This is good news.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
BTW, Dave did not state this was a fact even though you (mis-)quoted him as saying it. This isn't the first time I've nailed you for inventing quotes. I'm sure you'll now explain how this is my fault too. You always do.

Yet you later here admit dave gets carried away with his titles:p - you're still 0-2 with your knee jerk accusations towards me in the last two days:) Now run along...

This issue will be investigated and maybe they'll put more proceedures in place to prevent future movements - but I don't think this was a "leak" like dave says it is in his title.

CkG
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
BTW, Dave did not state this was a fact even though you (mis-)quoted him as saying it. This isn't the first time I've nailed you for inventing quotes. I'm sure you'll now explain how this is my fault too. You always do.

Yet you later here admit dave gets carried away with his titles:p - you're still 0-2 with your knee jerk accusations towards me in the last two days:) Now run along...

This issue will be investigated and maybe they'll put more proceedures in place to prevent future movements - but I don't think this was a "leak" like dave says it is in his title.

CkG

See I told you it is such "beloved" numbers by certain P&N'rs. No doubt about that :D
 

etech

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
BTW, Dave did not state this was a fact even though you (mis-)quoted him as saying it. This isn't the first time I've nailed you for inventing quotes. I'm sure you'll now explain how this is my fault too. You always do.

Yet you later here admit dave gets carried away with his titles:p - you're still 0-2 with your knee jerk accusations towards me in the last two days:) Now run along...

This issue will be investigated and maybe they'll put more proceedures in place to prevent future movements - but I don't think this was a "leak" like dave says it is in his title.

CkG

See I told you it is such "beloved" numbers by certain P&N'rs. No doubt about that :D

No doubt about that?

What the hell are you talking about Dave?

Where is this "beloved" numbers crap that you are spewing coming from?

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
BTW, Dave did not state this was a fact even though you (mis-)quoted him as saying it. This isn't the first time I've nailed you for inventing quotes. I'm sure you'll now explain how this is my fault too. You always do.

Yet you later here admit dave gets carried away with his titles:p - you're still 0-2 with your knee jerk accusations towards me in the last two days:) Now run along...

This issue will be investigated and maybe they'll put more proceedures in place to prevent future movements - but I don't think this was a "leak" like dave says it is in his title.

CkG

See I told you it is such "beloved" numbers by certain P&N'rs. No doubt about that :D
Notice he dodges the irrefutable fact that he invented a quote ... again. At least he's entertaining to watch. The more he's cornered, the harder he blows ...err... spins.

And he never, ever, ever admits he is wrong about anything. Not even trivial things like the word fact. Ever.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
BTW, Dave did not state this was a fact even though you (mis-)quoted him as saying it. This isn't the first time I've nailed you for inventing quotes. I'm sure you'll now explain how this is my fault too. You always do.

Yet you later here admit dave gets carried away with his titles:p - you're still 0-2 with your knee jerk accusations towards me in the last two days:) Now run along...

This issue will be investigated and maybe they'll put more proceedures in place to prevent future movements - but I don't think this was a "leak" like dave says it is in his title.

CkG

See I told you it is such "beloved" numbers by certain P&N'rs. No doubt about that :D
Notice he dodges the irrefutable fact that he invented a quote ... again. At least he's entertaining to watch. The more he's cornered, the harder he blows ...err... spins.

And he never, ever, ever admits he is wrong about anything. Not even trivial things like the word fact. Ever.

Bow, what "quote" are you talking about?

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
BTW, Dave did not state this was a fact even though you (mis-)quoted him as saying it. This isn't the first time I've nailed you for inventing quotes. I'm sure you'll now explain how this is my fault too. You always do.

Yet you later here admit dave gets carried away with his titles:p - you're still 0-2 with your knee jerk accusations towards me in the last two days:) Now run along...

This issue will be investigated and maybe they'll put more proceedures in place to prevent future movements - but I don't think this was a "leak" like dave says it is in his title.

CkG

See I told you it is such "beloved" numbers by certain P&N'rs. No doubt about that :D
Notice he dodges the irrefutable fact that he invented a quote ... again. At least he's entertaining to watch. The more he's cornered, the harder he blows ...err... spins.

And he never, ever, ever admits he is wrong about anything. Not even trivial things like the word fact. Ever.

WTF are you yapping about -what is this "quote" you are whining about? "fact"? Are you a complete moron? dave does infact paint it as "fact" in his title - and no where did I attribute it as a quote - that is your ASSumption and imagination. Now should we count this as 0-3? or are you still swinging at the pitch that you've already swung and missed already.

Now run along bow...

CkG
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Notice he dodges the irrefutable fact that he invented a quote ... again. At least he's entertaining to watch. The more he's cornered, the harder he blows ...err... spins.

And he never, ever, ever admits he is wrong about anything. Not even trivial things like the word fact. Ever.
WTF are you yapping about -what is this "quote" you are whining about? "fact"? Are you a complete moron? dave does infact paint it as "fact" in his title - and no where did I attribute it as a quote - that is your ASSumption and imagination. Now should we count this as 0-3? or are you still swinging at the pitch that you've already swung and missed already.

Now run along bow...

CkG
What did I say, Cad? You can read, can't you? Can you? Perhaps if you actually took the time to read others' posts instead of jumping to attack, you might know what they are "yapping about".


(PS. As far as your condescending "run along" comments, you can stuff them where the sun don't shine ... right next to your head.)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Notice he dodges the irrefutable fact that he invented a quote ... again. At least he's entertaining to watch. The more he's cornered, the harder he blows ...err... spins.

And he never, ever, ever admits he is wrong about anything. Not even trivial things like the word fact. Ever.
WTF are you yapping about -what is this "quote" you are whining about? "fact"? Are you a complete moron? dave does infact paint it as "fact" in his title - and no where did I attribute it as a quote - that is your ASSumption and imagination. Now should we count this as 0-3? or are you still swinging at the pitch that you've already swung and missed already.

Now run along bow...

CkG
What did I say, Cad? You can read, can't you? Can you? Perhaps if you actually took the time to read others' posts instead of jumping to attack, you might know what they are "yapping about".


(PS. As far as your condescending "run along" comments, you can stuff them where the sun don't shine ... right next to your head.)

Refusing to admit you were wrong again Bowfinger? Where exactly is this supposed "quote" you claim I attributed to dave? Oh, that's right...it wasn't me who was "jumping to attack" instead of taking time to read others' post -it was you. Thanks for playing...:D

CkG
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Notice he dodges the irrefutable fact that he invented a quote ... again. At least he's entertaining to watch. The more he's cornered, the harder he blows ...err... spins.

And he never, ever, ever admits he is wrong about anything. Not even trivial things like the word fact. Ever.
WTF are you yapping about -what is this "quote" you are whining about? "fact"? Are you a complete moron? dave does infact paint it as "fact" in his title - and no where did I attribute it as a quote - that is your ASSumption and imagination. Now should we count this as 0-3? or are you still swinging at the pitch that you've already swung and missed already.

Now run along bow...

CkG
What did I say, Cad? You can read, can't you? Can you? Perhaps if you actually took the time to read others' posts instead of jumping to attack, you might know what they are "yapping about".


(PS. As far as your condescending "run along" comments, you can stuff them where the sun don't shine ... right next to your head.)

Refusing to admit you were wrong again Bowfinger? Where exactly is this supposed "quote" you claim I attributed to dave? Oh, that's right...it wasn't me who was "jumping to attack" instead of taking time to read others' post -it was you. Thanks for playing...:D

CkG

Awwww, CAD's panties in a bunch again because his "beloved" BLS folks have come under fire, awwww.

 

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Bowfinger, what the hell are you talking about? Are you feeling alright man? Seriously?

Ive read this thread three times and am a loss as to why you automatically jumped on Cad. Daves thread title was the typical inflamitory foil-hat conspiracy fair he always posts. Cad pointed it out and then you go on about some mysterious quote he attributed to Dave.

Lay off the paint chips for a while, the lead is messing with your reading comprehension skills...
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Awwww, CAD's panties in a bunch again because his "beloved" BLS folks have come under fire, awwww.

Huh? Where exactly have they "come under fire"? Seems to me that there is some suspicion of a leak - but as the article you posted says - "Several groups of people get an early look at the payrolls report. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) officials have parts of the data for several days before it is released, but security at the agency is tight." So how do you get that the BLS people are under fire?

And no, it most definately was Bowfinger who got all bound up again. He seems to have this thing lately about trying to claim I said or did things I didn't. Oh well, that's his problem.:) So dave - was there a leak as you claim in your title or is it just suspicion of one? That's what I thought...

more "wolf" by chicken little

CkG
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Awwww, CAD's panties in a bunch again because his "beloved" BLS folks have come under fire, awwww.

Huh? Where exactly have they "come under fire"? Seems to me that there is some suspicion of a leak - but as the article you posted says - "Several groups of people get an early look at the payrolls report. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) officials have parts of the data for several days before it is released, but security at the agency is tight." So how do you get that the BLS people are under fire?

And no, it most definately was Bowfinger who got all bound up again. He seems to have this thing lately about trying to claim I said or did things I didn't. Oh well, that's his problem.:) So dave - was there a leak as you claim in your title or is it just suspicion of one? That's what I thought...

more "wolf" by chicken little

CkG

More "desperation" by CAD to defend his corrupt friends in the Political system.
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Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
[ ... ]
But yeah, we'll bleat about something as "fact" when it is only an allegation with plenty of plausible explainations. But on the off chance dave is right - I hope the people responsible for the leak are hung by their toe nails.

Now run along Bow - you are 0-2 in the last two days in your knee-jerk attempts to smear me.:)

CkG
You smear yourself Sir Cad. I just report.

BTW, Dave did not state this was a fact even though you (mis-)quoted him as saying it. This isn't the first time I've nailed you for inventing quotes. I'm sure you'll now explain how this is my fault too. You always do.
Bump for the reading-impaired Bush apologists, but I'm being redundant.


etech: I'm not whining about anything, thanks. I pointed out Cad misquoted Dave, a bad habit I've called him on in the past. The rest is Cad demonstrating that, like so many neo-con virtues, his vaunted "personal responsibility" is something they preach but don't practice themselves.

HelloDeli: you can stuff your "paint chips" next to Cad's "run along". I am not responsible for your reading impairment.

Cad: you are now 0-73 in the last two days. I know this is true, not because I have any basis for it, but because I say so. Just like you. Now run along.


This has already consumed more bandwidth than it deserves. All that was really necessary was a one- or two-line acknowledgment from Cad that Dave didn't really call it a "fact", even though Cad quoted it as if Dave did. That's all. A simple matter of character, integrity, and credibility.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well duh, Bush was boasting about a "strong" Economy the night before and said "His" Policies are working and it's getting stronger. Snow said "I think we'll see that we are beginning to create a lot of new jobs." on Thursday.

I didn't realize the significance of that even until they showed it's like having a loaded pair of dice on the Stock Market:

It's obvious the numbers made it to Europe and then came back this way.

4-4-2004 Regulators Eyeing Possible Jobs Data Leak

The U.S. Labor Department and market regulators said on Friday they were looking into a possible leak of employment data because of significant moves in financial markets before official release of the report.

Some analysts are convinced the surprisingly robust jobs report was leaked before its official 8:30 a.m. EST embargo, causing unusually large price movements in financial markets bout two minutes before the official release time.

Bond, currency and stock futures markets all showed moves greater than the usual volatility that is often seen ahead of the release of closely watched economic data.

TRADERS SUSPICIOUS

Many market players believe the data began to leak into the market a few minutes before the official release time.

"You can see the price action. It smells like a leak and walks like a leak. It happened two minutes before the release ... You could see the euro was selling off against the dollar," said Monica Fan, chief currency strategist for Europe at Royal Bank of Canada.

Several groups of people get an early look at the payrolls report. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) officials have parts of the data for several days before it is released, but security at the agency is tight.

On the day before the release, the number is given to President Bush through his economic team, the Council of Economic Advisors. The BLS said it gives the data to no one else. Neither the Labor Secretary, Elaine Chao, or Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan, see the data ahead of its release, though it is widely believed Bush's advisors share the data with key cabinet and Fed officials so they can prepare a response.

Finally, 30 minutes before the 8:30 a.m. embargo, journalists are given the data in a locked room at the Labor Department. Communication is restricted and journalists agree not to transmit the data early.
In a likely futile attempt to bring this back on topic ...