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Steeplerot

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
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So how radical is this forum?

Here are some of the more radical political leaning that can be found nowdays commonly spoken for on the internet and some not quite so, lets see how many bomb throwers we got here. ;)

Marxist Communism EX: Karl Marx of course

Socialism EX: Those funny little Scandinavian countries

Anarcho-Capitalism EX: Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand

Anarcho-Syndicalist EX: Noam Chomsky

Democrat Take your pick

Independent -Self Explanatory

Republican Take your pick

Neoconservative EX: Richard Perle, D. Cheney, Bill O'Rielly



 
HamburgerBoy

HamburgerBoy

Lifer
Apr 12, 2004
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If I had to pick one of the above it'd be Anarcho-Capitalist, but I do support a government to some degree on issues like border security and the court system.
 
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PrinceofWands

Lifer
May 16, 2000
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Hey, I notice they put Libertarian under anarcho-capitalist (which I agree with). I'm just curious if anyone knows of a party anywhere in the world that is basically Libertarian with an anti-corporate slant?
 
CaptnKirk

CaptnKirk

Lifer
Jul 25, 2002
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Rott -

Where you been, Bro?

Hey - Add to your poll:

Old School, Pre-Bush/Fascist, Reagan-Era Republican -
from before when the Fruitcake Religious Right stole
the party - and the Clueless PNAC started their World
Domination Power Grab - for a Corrupt Self-Serving
Agenda by a Bunch of Lying Bastards.

That's my position.
 
Vic

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Hey, I notice they put Libertarian under anarcho-capitalist (which I agree with). I'm just curious if anyone knows of a party anywhere in the world that is basically Libertarian with an anti-corporate slant?
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The National Libertarian Party is anti-corporate. Corporations are a form of collectivism created by governments to interfere with and influence private business.

Libertarians are not anarchists in the common sense of the word, i.e. that there should be no government or law whatsoever. Libertarians believe in government (if minimally) and the rule of law, just not that the government (or the collective if you prefer) has the right to use coercion and force beyond what would be acceptable for the individual, i.e. the state should not have the right to steal anymore than an individual has the right to steal.
 
Stunt

Stunt

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2002
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I'm inbetween "Free Market Libertarian" and "Capitalist *Canadian* Liberal"
 
palehorse

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
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Where's the option for "none of the above"?!

I just don't think that I fit into any of the molds exactly... besides, I really hate labels... I'll paste what I wrote in Prof's "Why left..?" thead:
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I am: age 32, raised conservative but not religious (I'm a Deist of my own sort), military, well-educated, well-read, and well-traveled... and I think that I'd be close to the center if one were to look at most of my opinions on the key issues; but, that said, I lean to the right on all matters of national security, anti-terrorism, Defense spending, etc...

So in the Center, leaning to the Right.

(perhaps this is the reason I'm always walking in circles?)

I'm pro-Bush, anti-Rumsfeld, pro-choice, pro-flat-tax, anti-immigration amnesty, pro-gay rights, anti-gay "marriage", pro-stemcell research, anti-multiculturalism, pro-small government, pro-Detainee Act, undecided on the Patriot Act(s), pro-term limits for Congress/Senate, anti-welfare, pro-ANWR drilling... and, believe it or not, I might be willing to listen to good reasons for the legalization of marijuana (but ONLY marijuana!)

what else? feel free to ask me my stances on things.. I'm very open about most of them... The funny thing is that most of the people around P&N still think that I'm the devil reincarnate! lol...
 
judasmachine

judasmachine

Diamond Member
Sep 15, 2002
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On this scale I'd have to say that ideally, I lean towards those funny Scandinavian countries. But it depends on which way the wind is blowing in my own little world.
 
Steeplerot

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Vic

Libertarians are not anarchists in the common sense of the word, i.e. that there should be no government or law whatsoever.
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It is a common fallacy probably spread by statists that anarchists from the turn of the 20th century believe in no system at all.

Collectivism for personal profit or profit sharing still calls for a system or ideas of one to set it up.
 
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Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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All political systems and positions are derived from an analysis of what people assume is human nature, but what we call human nature is really only assumptions about people as we actually find them. But because what people call human nature is not actually human nature, but what humans become when they are sick, politics is actually opinions of sick people on how to manage other sick people. Politics is therefore the opinion of the insane on how to manage insanity. This means, of course, that it is actually you who is insane and your political beliefs your personal psychological delusion, a projection of your own mental illness onto others. Naturally, to any rare individual who might happen to be insane, you are all radicals and extremists of the highest order.

I would suggest that real people, people who are not insane, people who are what they were meant to be, people in short who actualize their true human nature do not need or have any interest in politics. The do not even need the principle, 'do unto others' because that it is built right into their nature.

You know nothing and are totally filled up with garbage, but you have fallen in love with it. You feel that without your garbage you would be nothing. You are nothing, but sadly, you take that as a failure because you were taught that being something is the only acceptable.

Politics is the game of 'please be sick like me'.
 
Steeplerot

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
13,051
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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Rott -

Where you been, Bro?

Hey - Add to your poll:

Old School, Pre-Bush/Fascist, Reagan-Era Republican -
from before when the Fruitcake Religious Right stole
the party - and the Clueless PNAC started their World
Domination Power Grab - for a Corrupt Self-Serving
Agenda by a Bunch of Lying Bastards.

That's my position.
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I would consider that a Republican or Social Conservative. (Not to be mistaken with what currently masquarades as such (Neo-Liberalism/Neoconservatism) Lincoln is probably saying a big WTF in his grave when he looks at the state of his party. ;)
 
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1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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independent adj. Not governed by a foreign power; self-governing. Free from the influence, guidance, or control of another or others; self-relian
 
Steeplerot

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
13,051
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Originally posted by: Ewat
Would you consider the green party to be socialists?
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Green Party is a modern Socialist party with heavy on Anarcho collectivist leanings focusing on it's anti-corporate stance . IE: Free market for burgers and cars; worker owned public services and common use property. But yeah, Socialist mainly.

Link
There are those who fear the Green Party wants nothing less than socialism or communism. It is true that the Green Party advocates for government involvement, which places higher value on the individual than on corporations. However, where their politics tend toward socialism, Green Party members are still supporters of the political framework of the US, particularly as it relates to the rights and freedoms defined in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
 
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Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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Originally posted by: Pabster
Independent.
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At least you keep up your perfect record of everypolitical post having an error, even of one word describing yoru own orientation.

Deluded.
 
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