P-4 puts Thunderbird to shame !!!!!!!!!!!

[Zephyr]

<< Which company really sells you beta products to pay for their development? >>


That's one way of looking at things.. an alternative way is to say they doesn't hold back new technology for those willing to buy socalled &quot;beta products&quot;. Besides it's really their own headache as much as the users... if a board doesn't work they'll have to spend time on replacing already sold boards with never revisions or even do completel recalls if thye find bugs in a product.

 

[Ryan]

NOs, do you have a life? It pretty pitiful that you have kept on responding to this message. Keep on talking out of your A$$. BTW, where do you get all of your vapor-facts from?

 

[DABANSHEE]

BTW, as you'll see Here, the AMD chips get more than double the FlaskMPEG framerate when Flask is re-compiled used 3DNow optimisations, Which means, that the AMD chips do as well if not better than the Intel chips, even if they are both using re-compiled code (SSE1&amp;2 for the Intel &amp; 3DNow1&amp;2 for the AMD).

But guess what, the new AMD thoroughbred cores are going to have both 3DNow2 &amp; SSE2 optimisations.

 

[NOS440]

DABANSHEE that article only compares the T-Bird to the T-bird and say teat the P-4 is still faster than the T-Bird. what was the point of that ???

I think if we are all going to bring up toms reviews we should all go and read it all over again we are all making mistakes including me on the links. The points I was trying to make with my link was to counter soemone elses link that said his link proved that the T-Bird was faster clock for clock I just put one there to show it wasn't. Toms article just tells me that when SSE-2 starts to be implemented that the t-bird better watch out the P-4 is really going to fly. I still can't believe how smooth this thing runs every thing I throw at it.


Anyway's I was pretty busy today and don't have time to counter all these remarks But trust me I will be back to keep the fires a burning.

 

[NOS440]

Here is a nice little tid bit of news I just read for ya guy's






<< A Merrill Lynch report indicates that Intel Corp. is willing to cut margins and profits to see that Pentium 4 chips maintain a dominant role in the PC chip market. Previous estimates, from a number of sources, put P4 totals for 2001 around 15 million, but Intel has reportedly told OEMs that it will deliver 18 million to 20 million P4s in 2001. The same report also says that the pace of speed competition between Intel and Advanced Micro Devices will slow in the coming year >>

 

[SDsucka]

I bet everybody that hates AMD would quit bashing if only AMD's chips ran cooler. Thats about the only advantage that that I see of Intel P3's over ThunderBirds. Other than that, ThunderBirds kiCks p3's behinds.
Also to note, i remember seeing somewhere on an overclocking website, that an Overclocked Duron around 1Ghz came quite close to a P4 1.4Ghz. I can't find the site, but its something for them AMD haters to think about.
AMD TB 900, A7V
30.1 Maxtor @ 7200rpm, aTa100
128 pC133, GeForce2 Ultra

 

[airfoil]

NOS440,

I envy your rig! I agree with you about speed too. AMD is gonna ship their answer to the P4 late this year...why wait!?

 

[biohazard2]

NOS. where did you get this &quot;great deal on your stuff&quot;? there is no place in heaven or hell that would sell you that stuff for that price. hahahha tell me another one!

PIII 1ghz ~ $500
Asus Cusl2 ~ $140 (arguably* the best board for the PIII flipchip)
256mb of QUALITY pc133 ~ $190 (no generic stuff here)

Tbird 1.2ghz ~ $200
Asus A7V ~ $140 ( aruguably* the best boar for a socket A tbird)
256mb of QUALITY pc133 ~ $190

P4 1.4ghz ~ $700
Gigabyte P4 board ~ $215
256mb Rambus ~ $500

Just based on those prices (which are off the two local shop's price sheets), I'd have to say that the tbird is a better bet via the cost, followed by the PIII. The P4 is just WAY to much $$$ for any normal and sane person to buy. Not to mention it's still a new platform that's still in need of refinement and work. Via's KT133 has matured to a very stable platform for the tbird, while intel's i815e has done the same for the PIII. The i850 is too closely related to the problem child i820 (rambus), which has gotten very little attention from intel to further it's existance.

* not going to say that these are THE best, cuz they both have thier +'s and -'s

 

[Mykex]

Hmmm, I lived in MO. for a little while so I have to ask with all the links to toms hardware review,where are your benchmarks? Show me,make me a beleaver. 3Dmark must be at least 10k ...right?

Also why isnt this great system in your system specs? I would think with all the work you have done on this thread you would at least add it?

 

[NOS440]

biohazard2 I have said in this post what I paid and where I got it. If you could clear yours eyes of the Envy you would find it and I can send a few people in here to confirm what I paid if you like !!!!!!


Mykex As a matter of fact yes I did break 10k in 3d mark it was 101xx something and If you all like I will do it again and take a screen shot and send it to ya. All that is interested leave your Email here.


SDsucka
I'd like to see that review and what Apps it did it in LOL yea right the TBird 1200 has all it can do to touch the P-4 in alot of benchmarks and the ones it wins at really mean nothing !!!!!

 

[Priit]

Hmm, according to that beloved 3DMark (that was ver. 99 probably), K6-2 with 3DNow was _WAY_ faster processor than P2 (even 300Mhz K6-2 outperformed 450Mhz P2). But we all know, K6-2 wasn't nearly as powerful as P2, especially in games. I respect 3DMark's overall score as performance indicator just as much as output from /dev/random. If you want to demonstrate your P4's power, left out meaningless demos and bench with something that has some real-life value. When you are claiming that P4 way faster processor than T-bird, run some programs that depends mostly from PROCESSOR's speed like MP3 encoding, raytracing or 3D rendering for demonstrating FPU's power or RC-5 for some kind of picture about ALU's capability.

 

[MadRat]

You can really dick the tests, too, by upping the memory in the P4. Use one huge RDRAM chip instead of several smaller ones. You'll see a dramtic hit on performance. One huge stick of RAM on the Athlon or P!!! is preferred since it leaves room for expansion. On the P4 you're typically stuck replacing multiple sticks of RAM in order to raise the overall limit.

 

[paruhd0x]

The reasons I like AMD.

1: The price
2: The speed
3: The overclockability
4: The stability
5: The price is near to nothing when they are older so people that aren't geeks can go out and buy a whole new system for almost nothing.

 

[Mykex]

Ok and the 101xx was this your 1700mhz clock speed? Just looking for more info on these P4's performance.

 

[HardwareAddicted]

I guess it's true that some people still think that if you spend more, it's better...LOL!!

I don't fall for the numbers game that Intel is hoping we would all fall for....
But I guess if that's the best card in your hand, you gotta play it.

I would switch to Intel if they could just give me a reason to...so far, no reason to.

Simple things for simple minds

 

[MGMorden]

The 760MP chipset will be out soon. And Intel still ain't got a dual cpu chipset out for P4. That's what I'm holding out on for either company. My next setup WILL have at least 2 cpu's. Don't know what type (or really care right now).

 

[Insane3D]

Hmmm...I just picked up a 1.2ghz bird and a KT7A-RAID, cranked the FSB to 150 and settled in at 1350mhz. I should probably dump this for a new P4/RAMBUS combo..

My Crappy AMD System

 

[Nitzylpick]

Whatever, NOS has chosen a non-upgradeable cpu. But like he says he wants to make intel profit with his hard earned money let him. The thing is his GF2 ULTRA makes more of a difference in games than having a P4 or an athlon. I'd wish we could do a blind test with him set up two almost identical systems one a 1.2GHz athlon and a 1.5GHz P4 and see if he could even tell the difference.

 

[Neurodog]

NOS440 are you a sales rep. for INTEL???

 

[NOS440]

you guy's are unbeleiveable when did I ever advise any of you to get rid of what you have and buy what I have. You all sound like a bunch of jealous fools man grow up.

 

[NOS440]

the 101xx was with the P-4 clocked at 1608 yes it was OCed. at stock clock on everything it scores 97xx

 

[cmv]

So Intel has to cut their profit margin to push the P4 out the door? Come on now, we all now Intel made a few mistakes with the P4. That doesn't mean it's a bad processor or it's performance will be low but don't you think they a made a little mistake?

If they have such great R&amp;D why do they need to cut costs to get the P4 going? The RDRAM was a big mistake in itself. Rambus is one ugly back alley company that even Intel doesn't want to support after seeing their actions in this industry of ours...

Wake up dude. You have a nice CPU but that doesn't make a bit of a difference to the AMD people. The only need for that speed is heavy duty number crunching or games. Personally I'm quite satisfied with my Celeron 2 566@850, my bargain Geforce2 MX, etc... These systems more than meet my needs.

Lastly you need to grow up a little. Why do you get such excitement out of provoking reponses from the AMD people? Do you feel you need to justify the cost of your system? Obviously most of us here at anandtech.com care about computers but there are other things in life. Be happy with what you got and don't feel the need to crow about it so much. It just makes you look like an asshole.

All I gotta say and please think about it before hitting respond and posting something vapid in response.

 

[Muerto]

Everyone look! NOS440 has a sense of humour!!!!!!

 

[DarkMajiq]

Hey, Insane3D, that's a pretty crappy system! You'd definitely better get yourself a P4, with a sh1tload of RDRAM, and fast!... By the way, I'll take that Athlon hunk-o-junk off your hands for, say, 50 bucks?

<<NOS440 are you a sales rep. for INTEL???>>

Sales reps from Intel would never act in the same despicable manner as NOS does.

 

[mustang659ut]

It would seem that the P4 is an inferior product. Yeah it may be faster than an AMD, but it is just like a mac... MGHZ dont mean a thing if they dont perform.... and the P4 can only do about half of the work per clock that an AMD can.... for 4times the price.... its time for a Pentium 3