the TEAM concept is overrated. without brady and roethlisberger, the patriots and steelers are nothing...
the TEAM concept is overrated. without brady and roethlisberger, the patriots and steelers are nothing...
fustercluck
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No one ever claimed TO was a great teammate, everyone knows he's a dick, so he can't be overrated in that aspect. Certainly can't call him overrated for what he does on the field either, therefore, TO is not overrated. He is perfectly rated
- Everyone know's what you're getting into when you sign TO. Dallas needs him though, even with him they're probably not a superbowl contender. I understand the point you're trying to prove though.No way. McNabb is the Eagles. Without him no Super Bowl, no NFC championship games. Just look at how badly the team fell apart the instant he wasn't at 100%. One of the top five QBs in the league.
I'm sorry. Are we talking about Roethlisberger that threw 123 yards in a Super Bowl? I agree they are important to the team, but check Roethlisbergers stats (games during the year with 93, 177, 133, 173, 149, 135, 197, 123 yards is hardly carrying a team) for the year overall. The D and TEAM is what won the Super Bowl. Ben was used as an "don't make many mistakes and let the D do their thing" type of guy. He was good at what he did, but he didn't win those games himself. You're a fool with no football knowledge if you think they were only good because of him.
FYI: They won two games with BATCH at QB! They lost two with Maddox at QB, but both were in OVERTIME.
Originally posted by: jacktackle
No one ever claimed TO was a great teammate, everyone knows he's a dick, so he can't be overrated in that aspect. Certainly can't call him overrated for what he does on the field either, therefore, TO is not overrated. He is perfectly rated
How many games did play last year? If you're not on the field to play - how the heck can you be a good player?
Dallas does need him. But it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
"Owens missed the team's ninth practice of training camp after enduring a few that didn't go so well. He and quarterback Drew Bledsoe had trouble connecting, prompting several one-on-one chats between them and between Owens and coach Bill Parcells."
If he and Drew cannot get on the same page...let the disaster begin. It's only 10 days into training camp though, so they have a lot of time to work it out. Dallas says they aren't playing well because the D is playing great. lol
I've been saying Michael Vick is overrated for a while, but he's got one of the best cannons in the NFL. Still, I haven't written him off yet. The (multi) million dollar question is if he can grow into a true NFL quarterback as other mobile players, such as Steve Young or Randall Cunningham, had to in order to achieve success.
Peyton Manning is overrated in the sense that the Colts offense can run up the score during the regular season, but they always get clamped down at some point in the playoffs.
he's more than just a system quarterback, look what happens when he's injured, the steelers blow.
Agreed (on the Vick comment). I wouldn't personally call him overrated, as he's played a huge part in helping Atlanta make it to the post-season recently, but he's definitely still progressing in, and getting used to, the NFL. I'm hoping he'll have his true "break out" season within the next year or two; otherwise, I'm thinking it might never come.
Again, he's solid, but nothing special.
Let's just say Roethisberger is the 15th best QB in the NFL.
Remember, Batch was supposed to be third string until Maddox proved himself totally worthless. So Batch could be the 40-50th best QB in the NFL. Maddox? Well, he's not even playing anymore. What does that make him, somewhere around the 110th best?
Not to mention neither Batch or Maddox got nearly as many first team reps since they only played because of injury. And the Steelers still managed to perform respectably without Roethisberger.
I just did a quick lookup of Charlie Batch's stats for 2005. Completed 63.9% of passes. When your third string QB does that, you know it's the system, not the talent.
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Originally posted by: ScottFern
Brett Favre is going to terribly embarress himself this season. It's quite sad, and I am going to have fun watching it.
More than he terribly embarrassed himself last season? That would be a noteworthy achievement.
Most overrated:
1) Brett Favre
2) Michael Vick
3) goto 1
McNabb and Vick are definitely the top 2.
On top of that I'd add Daunte, Clinton Portis, Sapp, and Lavar Arrington.
On top of that I'd add Daunte, Clinton Portis, Sapp, and Lavar Arrington.
Brett Favre now.
the farve 1-2 years before superbowl and 1-2 years after losing in the superbowl I will say the hype is warranted but since he has gone down the crapper.
But there are some sports people like Madden who can't help but jack off to Brett they can shut up about him.
after brett i will say Vick.
all he has is his legs. He has the arm strength but horrible accuracy. he's screwed the minute he faces a legit defense that traps him and forces him to throw.
McNabb is up there too. sure he made 3 straight NFC championships but what does he have now. No receiving core. a suspect running game. the guy just won't admit he needs TO. He got paid that's why he didn't have any problems. If I remember correctly in owens 1.5 seasons as a eagle he has more catches, yards, tds than their current receiving core has combined in their careers.
the farve 1-2 years before superbowl and 1-2 years after losing in the superbowl I will say the hype is warranted but since he has gone down the crapper.
But there are some sports people like Madden who can't help but jack off to Brett they can shut up about him.
after brett i will say Vick.
all he has is his legs. He has the arm strength but horrible accuracy. he's screwed the minute he faces a legit defense that traps him and forces him to throw.
McNabb is up there too. sure he made 3 straight NFC championships but what does he have now. No receiving core. a suspect running game. the guy just won't admit he needs TO. He got paid that's why he didn't have any problems. If I remember correctly in owens 1.5 seasons as a eagle he has more catches, yards, tds than their current receiving core has combined in their careers.
I dont understand all these Mcnabb accusations. He is a hell of a player, without to he was able to make the nfc championships too. Good arm, good accurarcy, good legs.
Sure he was bad last season, but if you had some organs poking out between your abdominals, and getting hit by 300 pounders running 4.8 40s, you would suck pretty bad too.
Hes a consistent Mid 3k yard, 25-30td qb if he palys 16 games, espicalyl since his completion pct is consistently hovering around 60%.
Besides many people forget about his size, hes 240lbs and athelitic so he can get out of tough situations and maybe shrug off a hit unlike vick who dosent have the strength or Farve/Manning/Brady who dosent have the mobility.
Sure he was bad last season, but if you had some organs poking out between your abdominals, and getting hit by 300 pounders running 4.8 40s, you would suck pretty bad too.
Hes a consistent Mid 3k yard, 25-30td qb if he palys 16 games, espicalyl since his completion pct is consistently hovering around 60%.
Besides many people forget about his size, hes 240lbs and athelitic so he can get out of tough situations and maybe shrug off a hit unlike vick who dosent have the strength or Farve/Manning/Brady who dosent have the mobility.
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How the hell is that his fault? If anything, you made an argument for how great McNabb is to be able to get to those championships with such weak surrounding players.
Drew Brees. He had LT and Gates, arguably the best RB and TE in the game. We'll see how good he will play at NO.
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