overeating, under-excercising, smoking

[JacobJ]

The three issues most seriously causing the health crisis in our country are:

over-eating
under-excercising
smoking.

On average you will add thirteen years to your life if you vigorously excercise 30 minutes a day, maintain a healthy body weight, and refrain from smoking.

From 1990 to the now there has been more than a 70% increase in obesity in the US. The numbers of people with type II diabetes has exploded in this country. There is an extreme cultural problem with food in this country. We eat vastly more than what we used to. Portion sizes are enormous. Restaurants compete on the amount they serve you.

This is going to get costly. I shudder to think of the healthcare costs of treating all the problems related to easily preventable bad health.

 

[Red Dawn]

Simple, just charge the fat bastards more for Health Insurance!

 

[cKGunslinger]

I wish this were OT so someone would quickly chime in with a "Thank you, Captain Obvious" remark.

I kid, I kid. America is certainly a fortunate nation, with low incidences of hunger and mal-nutrition, and an abundance of.. well, everything. Education is the only way.

 

[dirtboy]

If we had government run health care we wouldn't have these problems.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
If we had government run health care we wouldn't have these problems.

No, everybody would be paying for these problems.

Just charge the elderly, the fatties, the druggies, and all risky patients more for Health Insurance as RedDawn said.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
If we had government run health care we wouldn't have these problems.

Healthcare isn't the problem...the problem is a cultural one. We don't need to treat diseases better, we need to live healthier. Massive serving sizes should be frowned upon. Smoking should be frowned upon. Living lazy lives with no respect for ones personal health should be considered shameful.

People should excercise. They should enjoy eating good meals. And they certainly shouldn't smoke, because its going to cost ME money.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: dirtboy
If we had government run health care we wouldn't have these problems.

No, everybody would be paying for these problems.

Just charge the elderly, the fatties, the druggies, and all risky patients more for Health Insurance as RedDawn said.

Obese individuals would be rather obvious but how would you be able to determine who was a risky patient? Check for needle marks, ash burns on their clothes, check their cars out?

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: dirtboy
If we had government run health care we wouldn't have these problems.

Healthcare isn't the problem...the problem is a cultural one. We don't need to treat diseases better, we need to live healthier. Massive serving sizes should be frowned upon. Smoking should be frowned upon. Living lazy lives with no respect for ones personal health should be considered shameful.

People should excercise. They should enjoy eating good meals. And they certainly shouldn't smoke, because its going to cost ME money.

Yes it is the problem.

The high cost of healthcare is forcing the poor to live off of the McD's $1 menu. If they didn't have to burden the expense of healthcare for the rich, then they could afford to eat at better places.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: dirtboy
If we had government run health care we wouldn't have these problems.

Healthcare isn't the problem...the problem is a cultural one. We don't need to treat diseases better, we need to live healthier. Massive serving sizes should be frowned upon. Smoking should be frowned upon. Living lazy lives with no respect for ones personal health should be considered shameful.

People should excercise. They should enjoy eating good meals. And they certainly shouldn't smoke, because its going to cost ME money.

Instead or regular glass windows on store fronts they should have mirrored windows, that way the obese people would see for themselves how funny and unhealthy they look.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari
No, everybody would be paying for these problems.

Just charge the elderly, the fatties, the druggies, and all risky patients more for Health Insurance as RedDawn said.

Obese individuals would be rather obvious but how would you be able to determine who was a risky patient? Check for needle marks, ash burns on their clothes, check their cars out?

Similar to car insurance. If you file extensive multiple seperate claims in a short period of time you are deemed a risky patient and your premium rises.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari
No, everybody would be paying for these problems.

Just charge the elderly, the fatties, the druggies, and all risky patients more for Health Insurance as RedDawn said.

Obese individuals would be rather obvious but how would you be able to determine who was a risky patient? Check for needle marks, ash burns on their clothes, check their cars out?

Similar to car insurance. If you file extensive multiple seperate claims in a short period of time you are deemed a risky patient and your premium rises.

Yeah right, if you actually use your insurance you will have to pay more for it?:roll:

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Simple, just charge the fat bastards more for Health Insurance!

This seems like a good solution at first, but it reflects a paradigm of treating disease rather than being healthy. One of the major problems with healthcare in this country is that it is so focused on treating disease rather than creating health.

We need a healthier culture. One that frowns on overeating, under-excecising, and smoking. One that encourages eating delicious healthy meals, moderate amounts of excercise, and poison free breath.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Instead or regular glass windows on store fronts they should have mirrored windows, that way the obese people would see for themselves how funny and unhealthy they look.

Yes! Thats a great idea. Or, maybe once someone gets to a certain weight, they are assigned a mirror that follows them around.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Obese individuals would be rather obvious but how would you be able to determine who was a risky patient? Check for needle marks, ash burns on their clothes, check their cars out?

Similar to car insurance. If you file extensive multiple seperate claims in a short period of time you are deemed a risky patient and your premium rises.

Yeah right, if you actually use your insurance you will have to pay more for it?:roll:

It happens in New Jersey for auto insurance. Plus they profile. I have yet to get a ticket or accident of any sort for 2 years, yet I probably pay 2-3x the premium that an average person of your age does.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Simple, just charge the fat bastards more for Health Insurance!

This seems like a good solution at first, but it reflects a paradigm of treating disease rather than being healthy. One of the major problems with healthcare in this country is that it is so focused on treating disease rather than creating health.

We need a healthier culture. One that frowns on overeating, under-excecising, and smoking. One that encourages eating delicious healthy meals, moderate amounts of excercise, and poison free breath.

True.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: dirtboy
If we had government run health care we wouldn't have these problems.

Healthcare isn't the problem...the problem is a cultural one. We don't need to treat diseases better, we need to live healthier. Massive serving sizes should be frowned upon. Smoking should be frowned upon. Living lazy lives with no respect for ones personal health should be considered shameful.

People should excercise. They should enjoy eating good meals. And they certainly shouldn't smoke, because its going to cost ME money.

Yes it is the problem.

The high cost of healthcare is forcing the poor to live off of the McD's $1 menu. If they didn't have to burden the expense of healthcare for the rich, then they could afford to eat at better places.

I'm sorry, but that's a moronic statement. You can feed yourself and your family a *lot* cheaper by buying groceries and cooking healthy meals rather than eating cheap fast food.

Government run healthcare is *not* the solution to the nation's health problems.

 

[slyedog]

but you have to buy the food and you have to cook it also. that is a more than some people want to accomplish in life.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
If we had government run health care we wouldn't have these problems.

What gives you that idea?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari
No, everybody would be paying for these problems.

Just charge the elderly, the fatties, the druggies, and all risky patients more for Health Insurance as RedDawn said.

Obese individuals would be rather obvious but how would you be able to determine who was a risky patient? Check for needle marks, ash burns on their clothes, check their cars out?

Similar to car insurance. If you file extensive multiple seperate claims in a short period of time you are deemed a risky patient and your premium rises.

Yeah right, if you actually use your insurance you will have to pay more for it?:roll:

They already do this. Every file a claim for anything insurance related? Magically your premiums go up the next year to nearly cover the cost of the money they gave you.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: slyedog
but you have to buy the food and you have to cook it also. that is a more than some people want to accomplish in life.

How is that our problem? The way I see it this is survival of the fittest, literally.

You a fat slob who smokes 4 packs a day and never moves from the couch? You are dead by 50 or earlier from massive heart failure. The only thing that keeps these people alive that long is our medicine. Otherwise they'd probably be dead by 30 and not even pass on their genes.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: Genx87
How is that our problem? The way I see it this is survival of the fittest, literally.

You a fat slob who smokes 4 packs a day and never moves from the couch? You are dead by 50 or earlier from massive heart failure. The only thing that keeps these people alive that long is our medicine. Otherwise they'd probably be dead by 30 and not even pass on their genes.

This is not just a genetic issue...this is a cultural issue. People think its ok to act like that. It is currently acceptable in our society to smoke, to not exercise, and to eat a lot of fast food. Whether or not you care if these people are going to die, if you are a taxpayer you are going to PAY A LOT for their bad choices one way or another. Our country will pay a lot. We need to create a healthier culture, one that allows our country to prosper instead of die in a bed of fat, lazyness, and cigarettes.

 

[Vic]

Ugghh. Are you gonna try to save their souls against their will, too?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: zendari
No, everybody would be paying for these problems.

Just charge the elderly, the fatties, the druggies, and all risky patients more for Health Insurance as RedDawn said.

Obese individuals would be rather obvious but how would you be able to determine who was a risky patient? Check for needle marks, ash burns on their clothes, check their cars out?

Similar to car insurance. If you file extensive multiple seperate claims in a short period of time you are deemed a risky patient and your premium rises.

Yeah right, if you actually use your insurance you will have to pay more for it?:roll:

They already do this. Every file a claim for anything insurance related? Magically your premiums go up the next year to nearly cover the cost of the money they gave you.

Insurance Premiums??

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
I wish this were OT so someone would quickly chime in with a "Thank you, Captain Obvious" remark.

I kid, I kid. America is certainly a fortunate nation, with low incidences of hunger and mal-nutrition, and an abundance of.. well, everything. Education is the only way.

Hunger incidence is low compared to developing countries but many Americans (particularly children) have tenuous food security.

Curiously, our Super-Sized, processed nation has achieved the rare distinction of being overweight AND malnourished. The typical American diet has copious amounts of macronutrients (carbs, protein, fat) but is relatively poor in multiple micronutrients (vits, minerals, coenzymes, cofactors, etc).

Education is a vital and necessary component but it is far from sufficient. What's the point of an educational nutrition program at a school that serves crap for breakfast and lunch?!

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

The high cost of healthcare is forcing the poor to live off of the McD's $1 menu. If they didn't have to burden the expense of healthcare for the rich, then they could afford to eat at better places.

I'm sorry, but that's a moronic statement. You can feed yourself and your family a *lot* cheaper by buying groceries and cooking healthy meals rather than eating cheap fast food.

Government run healthcare is *not* the solution to the nation's health problems.

It depends on the area. If you map out grocery stores, they tend to be concentrated in areas with a particular demographic (middle/upper income). If you map out "convenience" stores, they are concentrated in other areas. In essence, people with the least ability to pay and the highest requirement for local access . . . pay the most and have poor access.

In addition, a recent study demonstrated that several grocery chains charge different prices based on the location of the store within a city. I'll give you two guesses about where you find the lowest prices? Obviously, the stores argue that "local conditions" determine prices (say competition from nearby stores), but the functional outcome is the same. Those with least resources are penalized for being poor . . . in the form of lower quality/quantity and increased price for food.