Overclocking Q6600 on GA-X38-DQ6

VokinLoksar

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Hi everyone,

Just finished building a new system, but I'm having some trouble getting more performance out of it. I guess I should mention that I am far from an expert on overclocking, though I have done a lot of reading on the topic and have a fairly good understanding of the theory.

So first of all, here are my specs:

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6
CPU: Intel Q6600
Memory: Crucial DDR2-800 (BL2KIT12864AA804)

The problem that I'm running into is that I can't seem to increase the FSB at all beyond the default 266. I haven't tried it at 1 MHz increments, of course, but I think the lowest value I've tried so far is 280 or something around that. Doesn't work at all, the motherboard resets values to default and reboots after a failed first attempt.

I know about setting proper voltages, but the thing is this... I actually lowered the CPU multiplier to 6 and memory frequency to 667, so both were running way below their rated speeds. The system still didn't boot. Basically I was trying to raise FSB independently from the CPU and memory. Once I had it running at 333 MHz, then I would raise the CPU and memory frequencies to desired levels. I realize that's a bit backwards, but I resorted to this method after the first few attempts failed.

One thing that might be worth mentioning is that in BIOS I have several multipliers for memory in format 2.00A, 2.00B, 3.20A, 3.20B, 4.00A, etc. I understand how the multiplier works (I think), but I don't get these letters. The help on the right side of the screen basically has the following chart:

X.XXA -> 266
X.XXB -> 333
X.XXC -> 200
X.XXD -> 400

I think that's it, doing this from memory right now. So the implication is that if I set FSB to 333 I should use one of the B settings. Ok, but why would that make a difference, and what setting do I use if I set FSB to something between 266 and 333? There is nothing about it in the manual, I couldn't find anything via google either. At any rate, for these tests I set the multiplier to either 2.00A or 2.00B, depending on where FSB is and both result in 667 MHz frequency for memory.

With CPU, like I said, I take the multiplier down to 6 while increasing FSB. The system fails to boot regardless. I've tried raising voltages on memory to the rated 2.2V and on CPU to 1.3V. These didn't help one bit. However, with memory at 2.2V I was able to run it at 1066 MHz 5-5-5-18-1T timings, while FSB stayed at the stock 266.

I'm rather confused by this whole thing, because unless I'm mistaken, reducing the CPU and memory multipliers to lowest values should effectively take those two components out of the picture, no? So that means something else is preventing the FSB from running faster. Another two voltage options I have is the FSB and (G)MCH (northbridge) over-voltage. I've tried raising both by 0.1V, and that didn't help. The problem is that I have no idea what values are safe for these two things, so I was a bit hesitant on really messing with them.

My primary interest in this whole affair is actually the memory. CPU running faster is great, but memory is currently having a greater impact on the system's performance (for instance, it's the only non-5.9 in vista's performance rating at 5.6). Right now I'm running memtest86 for 24 hours to make sure that it performs fine on stock settings. What I don't get though is that memtest shows its speed at 4081MB/s, which seems a bit wrong. Should it not be around 6400 MB/s?

At any rate, what do you guys suggest? First of all, can anyone explain to me the letters on memory multipliers? Second, am I wrong in assuming that lowering multipliers for CPU and memory should allow me to raise FSB to something like 333 MHz without either of those two things interfering? Third, what are the save over-voltage values for FSB and northbridge, do you think that these are what's causing the problem? Finally, what settings would you recommend for getting the most out of memory (and let's limit CPU to 3GHz max, though I?d be just as happy with 2.66 or even stock... for now :).

Would greatly appreciate any advice you can give.
 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: Conjugal Visit

Your bios is probably very similar to mine. Have you set "CPU Host Clock Control" to Enabled?

Yes, do that, and pick the multiplier=2.0, set the fsb to 350, up the FSB term voltage, and the MCH by a couple of notches, and set the vcore@1.425 (I assume you have aftermarket cooling ?)

Then pump up the fsb 10 mhz at a time (testing for stability each time). You have all good parts so far, if the cooling is adequete, you should be able to do 3.4-3.6 easy. Once you have a stable OC. back the cpu vcore back down once notch at a time until you loose stability.
 

VokinLoksar

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Yes, "CPU Host Clock Control" is set to enable. It has to be, otherwise I can't change FSB value. I don't really want to go with an FSB beyond 333 MHz, if I can reach that with CPU multiplier of 9 (3.0 GHz) and memory running at 1066 5-5-5-18 (or better timings) I'd be more than happy. I'm using the Enzotech Ultra-X cooler, but even so, I'd prefer to keep a safety margin and not push the system to its limits.

When you say to raise FSB and MCH voltages by a couple of notches, how much is that? What is the limit that I should not cross?
 

Markfw

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You have the DQ6 (I have 2, but the P35 ones) so you have wonderful cooling. OK, I broke down and re-booted (for the first time in months) just to get you these settings, so please try to boot and test these before doing anything else:
FSB 380
Multi = 2.0
DDR vdimm=exactly to spec for your memory
FSB term = +0.3
MCH = + 0.2
vcore=1.4, under load will be 1.360.

3420 and less than 60c under load, please let me know if this works for you.
 

VokinLoksar

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Just tried those values and they didn't work. I'm starting to think that maybe the bios I'm using is not quite ready for this yet. It's the latest beta version, but given how new this motherboard is maybe there are still some bugs to work out. Any other tips?
 

Markfw

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go back to a non-beta bios. The only thing I would change, it memory down to 333, but make sure your memory vdimm i +.4 (you need 2.2 for that ballistic, right ?)
 

VokinLoksar

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The problem with the last beta bios is that it has know issues when overclocking Q6600. Btw, I forgot to mention this in my last post, but memtest ran for 10 hours and showed no errors after 40 or so cycles. This is with memory running at 800 MHz, 4-4-4-12-1T, 1.9V. The rated voltage for it is 2.2V, and I actually tried the 333 MHz, 2.2V memory when doing the last test. It was the same result.

For now I'm going to wait until the next bios version is released, perhaps that'll fix these issues. For now though I'd still like to know the answers to some other questions. What are the letters there for in memory multiplier, what's the difference between 2.00A and 2.00B other than the suggestion on the right side of the screen? And what are the safe ranges for FSB and MCH over-volts?
 

The-Noid

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
You have the DQ6 (I have 2, but the P35 ones) so you have wonderful cooling. OK, I broke down and re-booted (for the first time in months) just to get you these settings, so please try to boot and test these before doing anything else:
FSB 380
Multi = 2.0
DDR vdimm=exactly to spec for your memory
FSB term = +0.3
MCH = + 0.2
vcore=1.4, under load will be 1.360.

3420 and less than 60c under load, please let me know if this works for you.

You are my favorite. Agree 100% these boards have become quite stable.

Now back on topic. The A/B/C are strappings of the NB, which one did you end up choosing VokinLoksar?

 

VokinLoksar

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Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Now back on topic. The A/B/C are strappings of the NB, which one did you end up choosing VokinLoksar?

Well that's the thing... I have no idea what to chose and haven't found any documentation on this topic. I tried both the A and B values, depending on where the FSB was. When I try 333 I would pick 2.00B for memory which resulted in 667 MHz frequency, but even if I chose 2.00A the result was always the same. System wouldn't boot, but memory frequency is identical.
 

The-Noid

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A will run tighter NB strapping. You may need to increase NB Core Voltage to accomplish this.

Strap will be 200 mhz instead of 266 or 333 or even 400 on the X38.

If you memory is 800 mhz you may want to try the 2.5x multiplier.

or 2.33x multiplier. You will in most cases need more vdimm to accomplish this.

Here is an easy way to put things. A will net your more FPS than B, B more than C, C more than D.

You are not talking about a huge performance increase but in the end it can be around 3-5%.
 

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I have a new Intel quad-core system Q6000 GO stepping, watercooled. CPU stock speed is 2.4 Ghz. I've been able to get the FSB up to 385 MHz x 9 = 3.465 GHz. But at 390 MHz the FSB eventually causes problems in my stress test. (My temperatures are under good control).
I have the CPU voltage control up from stock of 1.30 V to 1.40 volt, System Memory Multiplier at 2.66. (I have 4 Gig of high quality RAM OCZ 1150 MHz DDR2--PC1150.)
FSB OverVoltage control is at +0.10V; G(MCH) OverVoltage at +0.05.
I can get into Windows and run my stress test, sometimes for 20 minutes, but then Windows shuts down the app. Other times, on moving the mouse, I get a black screen and reboot, and so have to go back to 385 FSB.
From what I have read, 3.8 GHz CPU speed should be doable, e.g., with a fixed 9 X multiplier, I should be able to get the FSB up to aobut 422 MHz.
Any suggestions?
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: 1415

I have a new Intel quad-core system Q6000 GO stepping, watercooled.
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From what I have read, 3.8 GHz CPU speed should be doable, e.g., with a fixed 9 X multiplier, I should be able to get the FSB up to aobut 422 MHz.
Any suggestions?

I think that 3.8Ghz, even from a G0, is really pushing it. Most wont OC higher than 3.6Ghz.
 

anemovatis

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@VokinLoksar Hi, It seems i have exactly the same problem with the mobo and my Q6600 you are having. Using Bios F6B and hitting a wall with very little FSB changes. I will probably try to downgrade the bios to a non beta version and try again.

 

VokinLoksar

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I went back to F5h, and it's the same problem. Honestly, I thought that Gigabyte would release a new BIOS version by now. The only thing I've been able to do is run my memory with 4-4-4-12-2T timings at the rated 2.2V. All other changes fail. Let me know if F4 bios is any better.
 

anemovatis

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Latest news i managed to figure out what my RAM likes, and that is to work at 825Mhz. So I am know at 9X330 with 4 4 4 12 and 825Mhz.

@VokinLoksar you should give it a try. It's a few minutes of hit and miss. Start from a low FSB of 9x280 and try out a few dividers, until you get a good post then go up 10hz an do it again.

Keep memory timings at factory, and vcore at 1.3000 or more.
 

Fakum

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I have built my new gaming PC a few months back. I struggled a bit with trouble shooting blue screens. I finally resolved them by removing 2 of the 4 gigs of ram I have and I loosened up the timings a bit. It has been stable for a couple months. I tried tinkering a bit with suttle overclocking, I even tried Gigabytes over clocking software. I did not get very far without lock ups or booting problems. I have spent countless hours reading thru forums about overclocking, and I can tell you my head hurts. If you look at this thread alone it can be overwhelming. I am wondering if I can get a fresh simple start here? I am not looking to get crazy, I just want to get a better bang for my buck. I know I have the hardware, I just don?t seem to grasp all these voltage settings and which ones to really start with? The only benchmarking utility I have is 3Dmark06. That at least gives me some idea if I am heading in the right direction. Like I mentioned, I am currently only using (2) 1 gig sticks of ram. I do have 2 more of the same, but I don?t really think I need them, at least at the moment. Can anyone help me out as to where to start? I don?t need to do this over night, but perhaps you can look at my current specs and bios settings and suggest some simple changes I should start with first? I do have CPU-Z and Core Temp utilities installed for monitoring. Thanks in advanced,
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Tower = LIAN LI PC-61
Mobo = GIGABYTE GA-X38-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Ultra Durable 2(BIOS F7)
Power Supply = Thermaltake Purepower TWV 500W
CPU = Intel Core 2 Q6600 GO Stepping (9 x 266)
CPU Heat Sync = Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler Model U-120E
CPU Heat Sync Fan = Scythe S-FLEX 120mm Case Fan, 1600 RPM Model SFF21F
CPU Heat Sync Thermal Paste = Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Memory = Crucial Ballistix 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM 800 (PC2 6400) (4-4-4-12 @ 2.2v)
Hard Drive = Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB WD5000AAKS SATA 2
GPU = EVGA GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0
DVD/CD Burner = Asus DVD Burner DRW-2014L1T SATA 2
Sound Card = Razer Barracuda AC-1 Gaming Sound Card
Monitor = Gateway XHD3000 30" Widescreen
OS = Win XP Pro 32 Bit SP2 w/ current updates

Fantom G-Force GF500EU 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache USB 2.0 / eSATA External Hard Drive
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MB Intelligent Tweaker (MIT)
Robust Graphics Booster:Turbo
CPU Clock Ratio: 9x
CPU Frequency: 2.4 Ghz (266 x 9)
CPU Host Clock Control: Enabled
CPU Host Frequency(Mhz) : 266
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) : Auto
C.I.A.2: Disabled
Performance Enhance : Extreme
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) : Auto
Memory Frequency(Mhz): 800
DRAM Timing Selectable : Manual

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time: : 5 [5]
DRAM RAS# to CAS# : 5 [5]
DRAM RAS# Precharge : 5 [5]
Precharge Delay(tRAS) : 18 [18]

Advanced Timing Control
ACT to ACT Delay(tRRD) : 3 [Auto]
Rank Write to READ Delay : 3 [Auto]
Write To Precharge Delay : 6 [Auto]
Refresh to ACT Delay : 42 [Auto]
Read To Precharge Delay : 3 [Auto]
Static tRead Value 4 [Auto]
Static tRead Phase Adjust 0 [Auto]
Command Rate (CMD) 2 [Auto]

Clock Driving and Skew Control
CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control : [800mV]
CPU Clock Skew Control : Normal
(G)MCH Clock Skew Control : Normal

System Voltage Control [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control : +0.40v
PCI-E OverVoltage Control : Normal
FSB OverVoltage Control : Normal
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control : Normal
MCH Reference Voltage Control : Normal
DDR Reference Voltage Control : Normal
DDR Termination Voltage Control : Normal
Loadline Calibration: Normal
CPU Voltage Control : Normal
Normal CPU Vcore : 1.28750v

Advanced Bios Features
Limit CPUID Max to: 3
No-Execute Memory Protect: Enabled
CPU Enhanced Halt(CIE):Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor 2: Enabled
CPU EIST Function: Disabled
Virtualization Technology: Enabled

 

Von Matrices

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I have the EXACT same problem with a Gigabyte X48T-DQ6 and a Q9450 with 4GB OCZ DDR3-1333 memory. Did you find any solution to the issue?
 

Fakum

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im not sure if you mean a problem with overclocking or problem with memory?
if you are talking about overclocking, I managed to get some help this morning on anther forum. and after a couple of trials, in short time I am overclocked stable at 3.2. here are my current bios settings that got me here.

MB Intelligent Tweaker (MIT)
Robust Graphics Booster:Turbo
CPU Clock Ratio: 8x
CPU Frequency: 3.2 Ghz (400 x 8)
CPU Host Clock Control: Enabled
CPU Host Frequency(Mhz) : 400
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) : Auto
C.I.A.2: Disabled
Performance Enhance : Standard
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) : 2.00D
Memory Frequency(Mhz): 800
DRAM Timing Selectable : Auto
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time: : 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# : 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge : 5
Precharge Delay(tRAS) : 18
Advanced Timing Control
ACT to ACT Delay(tRRD) : 3 [Auto]
Rank Write to READ Delay : 3 [Auto]
Write To Precharge Delay : 6 [Auto]
Refresh to ACT Delay : 42 [Auto]
Read To Precharge Delay : 3 [Auto]
Static tRead Value 4 [Auto]
Static tRead Phase Adjust 0 [Auto]
Command Rate (CMD) 2 [Auto]
Clock Driving and Skew Control
CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control : [800mV]
CPU Clock Skew Control : Normal
(G)MCH Clock Skew Control : Normal
System Voltage Control [Auto]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control : +0.40v
PCI-E OverVoltage Control : Normal
FSB OverVoltage Control : Normal
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control : Normal
MCH Reference Voltage Control : Normal
DDR Reference Voltage Control : Normal
DDR Termination Voltage Control : Normal
Loadline Calibration: Enable
CPU Voltage Control : 1.4
Normal CPU Vcore : 1.28750v
Advanced Bios Features
Limit CPUID Max to: 3
No-Execute Memory Protect: Enabled
CPU Enhanced Halt(CIE):Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor 2: Enabled
CPU EIST Function: Disabled
Virtualization Technology: Enabled

3DMark06 14422
Sheet 4 5/3/08
 

Fakum

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Latest update. I was able to put back all of the 4 Gig of Balistix memory and get this up and running solid at 3.6. The stress test did kinda get me close to a steady 58 ? 60 deg C temp with the side panel on, off proved better. But my gaming, like COD4 does not get it so high. So Im pretty comfy at the moment. Now with the D strapping set, should I dare dabble a bit more here with any voltages/Strapping etc to get tweeked better? If so, where should I start? I don?t know really much about the strapping, from what I have read here, A is better than B, B is better than C etc. Thoughts would be appreciated, thanks.


Running 4 Gig of ram instead of 2
2.5 hours of Prime 95
Side cover off maintains about 7-10 Deg C temp drop on CPU
Cover on was about 67C peak
Cover off was about 58 C peak


MB Intelligent Tweaker (MIT)
Robust Graphics Booster:Turbo
CPU Clock Ratio: 9x
CPU Frequency: 3.6 Ghz (400 x 9)
CPU Host Clock Control: Enabled
CPU Host Frequency(Mhz) : 400
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) : Auto
C.I.A.2: Disabled
Performance Enhance : Standard
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) : 2.00D
Memory Frequency(Mhz): 800
DRAM Timing Selectable : Auto
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time: : 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# : 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge : 5
Precharge Delay(tRAS) : 18
Advanced Timing Control
ACT to ACT Delay(tRRD) : 3 [Auto]
Rank Write to READ Delay : 3 [Auto]
Write To Precharge Delay : 6 [Auto]
Refresh to ACT Delay : 42 [Auto]
Read To Precharge Delay : 3 [Auto]
Static tRead Value 4 [Auto]
Static tRead Phase Adjust 0 [Auto]
Command Rate (CMD) 2 [Auto]
Clock Driving and Skew Control
CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control : [800mV]
CPU Clock Skew Control : Normal
(G)MCH Clock Skew Control : Normal
System Voltage Control [Auto]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control : +0.40v
PCI-E OverVoltage Control : Normal
FSB OverVoltage Control : Normal
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control : Normal
MCH Reference Voltage Control : Normal
DDR Reference Voltage Control : Normal
DDR Termination Voltage Control : Normal
Loadline Calibration: Enable
CPU Voltage Control : 1.425
Normal CPU Vcore : 1.28750v
Advanced Bios Features
Limit CPUID Max to: 3
No-Execute Memory Protect: Enabled
CPU Enhanced Halt(CIE):Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor 2: Enabled
CPU EIST Function: Disabled
Virtualization Technology: Enabled

3DMark06 14808
Sheet 6 5/4/08
 

Zenoth

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Try the 2.40B Memory strap, it works best for me, others aren't as good for stability.

Also I highly recommend you to browse the tens of pages on both of those superb threads related to that board and other Gigabyte variants as well, it might help you: http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums...e-ga-x38-dq6-blog.html and http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=156346

In my opinion, so far, I think that the X38-DQ6 simply loves extra voltages, perhaps too much of it, it keeps asking for more, it's a glutton of a board. At least from what I've read about it so far, maybe it likes very good PSU's as well, mine isn't the best nor the most recent either so it might not help my cause, but at least I reached a stable OC, however I know, my CPU isn't the one you're having problems with, you're on a Quad and so on... so look at the links above, you might find solutions to your issues.
 

Fakum

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Thanks for the reply, I have been to the other forums actually. Clunk has a very interesting thread on this but unfortunatly, he has not been able to use any of my email accounts to activate me so I can respond to threads. Any way, I am not having any problems, im just looking for input to get me to the next level. Thanks any way, I will dabble into the strapping a bit more, just not clear on the voltage adjustments here and there.
 

Tweakin

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I would not call 2.5 Hours of Prime Stable at all...Let it run overnight and see how it goes.