Overclocking old Athlon 64 x 2 4400+, are temps okay?

[TheInternal]

Howdy all,

I'm upgrading to a newer computer, so I figured I might as well go ahead and overclock my socket 939 Athlon 64 x2 4600+ (Manchester) with a Scythe Ninja aftermarket cooler (no fan directly attached... though three fans within a few inches in push / pull configuration.)
It's in my ASUS A8N32SLI Deluxe motherboard along with 4 x 1 GB Corsair DDR 400 RAM, a Geforce GTX 550 Ti, and a Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium. Thus far, I've set the FSB up to 217 with most other things at auto, setting the system to 2.6GHz. Booting into Win7 64-bit is no problem. According to Core Temp, my processor is maxxing out at 66C on the hotter of my two cores at 100% load. Is that too high? I already ordered three new Typhoon case fans, which will hopefully lower the temps.
What is considered a "reasonable" overclock for the 4600+, temperatures, etc. Do I need to do anything other than raise the FSB a dozen or so points?

 

[chubbyfatazn]

You're hitting 66C at stock volts? 1.35v? What's the airflow situation in your case? I'd consider that temp borderline. What's the difference in temps between cores?

Just remember to set your command rate to 2T and not to exceed 1.55v.

Are you sure that's a Manchester core? The 4400+ was only a Toledo core. Depending on when the chip was made I'd expect anywhere from 2.6 to 2.8, possibly higher if you've got a later stepping chip. I do remember weeks 0550, 0610-0617, and 0702 were generally good OCers for the Optys, and the core for those was identical to the Toledo ... that may mean nothing here, though.

 

[2is]

Every Athlon X2 I've owned (and I've owned a lot) has been unstable right around the mid 60C mark. I'd get better cooling or lower the OC. Also every single one that I allowed to run at those temps for extended periods degraded over time. One to the point of needing a voltage bump to remain stable at default speeds.

 

[borisvodofsky]

Hmmmmmm..................

One you attach those Fans directly to the cooler you should be fine on temps. People are right about keeping it below 60C though. That's pretty important. I'm not sure there were as many custom bioses out there for the a8n as my dfi, but you should look for those. because they were tuned to overclock at least 100-200mhz higher.

 

[TheInternal]

with three 1850 RPM typhoons now in the Antec P180b case (1 pulling from front, 1 on Sythe Ninja heatsink, 1 pushing from rear) and dropping the CPU to stock speeds, I'm still hitting just 70C at max load on core 0, around 5 degrees cooler on core 1. The room is a little warm, admittedly. Stock voltage (never touched that part). CPU VCORE is ranging from 1.36V to 1.39V.

RAM settings are currently auto.

The fans are running at full, from what I can tell... rather noisy too. bleargh.

This is an Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (Manchester) in a socket 939 board, just to reiterate.

 

[borisvodofsky]

with three 1850 RPM typhoons now in the Antec P180b case (1 pulling from front, 1 on Sythe Ninja heatsink, 1 pushing from rear) and dropping the CPU to stock speeds, I'm still hitting just 70C at max load on core 0, around 5 degrees cooler on core 1. The room is a little warm, admittedly. Stock voltage (never touched that part). CPU VCORE is ranging from 1.36V to 1.39V.

RAM settings are currently auto.

The fans are running at full, from what I can tell... rather noisy too. bleargh.

This is an Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (Manchester) in a socket 939 board, just to reiterate.

Something is wrong? Oh wait, no, LOL Manchester, ok, I was confusing Toledo with Manchester.

Right, yea, the temperature looks right. You're going to need major cooling if you wanna get much more outta this one.


You can get a 15 dollar toledo like the opteron 165 and hit 2.7-2.9 ghz. More easily with less heat.

but..... idk why you'd wanna.

 

[tweakboy]

Good temp as long as its not 80 or 90 degrees gl

 

[2is]

Good temp as long as its not 80 or 90 degrees gl

NO! Absolutely not. This isn't ivy bridge and does NOT have the same thermal envelope. Those are some of the absolute worst temps I've ever seen on a stock clocked s939 X2. So bad that I would strongly suggest a reapplication of the HSF and thermal compound.

 

[borisvodofsky]

NO! Absolutely not. This isn't ivy bridge and does NOT have the same thermal envelope. Those are some of the absolute worst temps I've ever seen on a stock clocked s939 X2. So bad that I would strongly suggest a reapplication of the HSF and thermal compound.

Chill dude, he said 66C maximum at 100% load. That's pretty correct given it's overclocked.

that chip is good up to 1.55-1.6 volts. Though temperature is going to be a problem.

OP, have you considered running the computer open case? That's probably the best chance you have at an even higher overclock.

As far as I know the 4600 can be pushed pretty hard because it's on 130nm

 

[2is]

Chill dude, he said 66C maximum at 100% load. That's pretty correct given it's overclocked.

that chip is good up to 1.55-1.6 volts. Though temperature is going to be a problem.

OP, have you considered running the computer open case? That's probably the best chance you have at an even higher overclock.

As far as I know the 4600 can be pushed pretty hard because it's on 130nm

Read his last post. He dropped down to stock speeds and hitting 70C. That's not good at all

 

[borisvodofsky]

Read his last post. He dropped down to stock speeds and hitting 70C. That's not good at all

Hmmm, yea I think it's the computer case.

I have the original p180, which is just silver instead of black.

the problem with the p180 is that it is severely air starved. there is really only ONE intake fan, because the bottom chamber is seperate. And the holes in the front are too small.

So yea, try overclocking with the case completely open.

 

[2is]

Hmmm, yea I think it's the computer case.

I have the original p180, which is just silver instead of black.

the problem with the p180 is that it is severely air starved. there is really only ONE intake fan, because the bottom chamber is seperate. And the holes in the front are too small.

So yea, try overclocking with the case completely open.

Whatever the reason is, those are not good temps and an Athlon X2 is not good until 80-90C like tweakboy suggested