Overclocking a 2.4 C Help

[xerotheory]

Hi,

My parents just got me 800 bux towards the building of my new pc, I ordered the parts from newegg.com and they should come within a couple of days.

I ordered:
P4 2.4c 800mhz fsb
Chaintech 9VJL5 mobo based on the VIA PT800 chipset
2x 256mb pc3200 ddr Corsair Value Ram
Radeon 9700pro 128mb
a case and a 80gb hd
My question is if someone can please guide me through overclocking the 2.4.

All i want to achieve is around a speed of 3.0ghz, I heard that the 2.4 can reach 3.2 speeds with stock cooling.

So can someone please guide me through this? I read articles on hardocp and a few others, but i think a first hand guide would be better. I would like to know any BIOS settings that i should use/change and the whole memory ratio thing i dont quite understand.

Thank you for your time.

 

[Camofrog]

Not very familiar with your motherboard ..........why did you get that one? the ASUS (P4P800 or P4C800) or ABIT (IS7 or IC7 max3 ) are better for O/C the P4.

Course i'm sure yours will work,

Are you totally new to O/Cing?

 

[dnuggett]

NM

 

[Jigman]

there are no nforce motherboards for intel... i would pickup an 865pe board

 

[xerotheory]

umm i bought it because it was cheap on new egg, and i read some reviews of the chipset. Plus its too late for me to change it because new egg is in the process of shipping it and it should come tomorrow, or the day after.

while not being dual channel, the majority of the reviews said its a good chipset.

I know that i need to up the FSB from 200 to something around 250-275 in the voltage and timings settings in the BIOS.

But im really interested in anything else i need. I heard about how you need to screw around with the memory ratios or something, and im not too clear on that. Also i heard that there can be PCI/AGP issues with upping the FSB.

So i guess you can say im kinda new to overclocking.

Oh yea, nforce is only AMD buddy

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Jigman
there are no nforce motherboards for intel... i would pickup an 865pe board

Oops, nice catch.

Oh yea, nforce is only AMD buddy

My bad, wan't aware there was another option for processors, buddy.

 

[azntiger0586]

I cannot guarantee you that this will work, but if you have all the options listed here, go for it:
If all you are planning to do is overclocking the cpu to 3ghz, then do the following:

ALL THIS IS DONE IN BIOS:
- Lock PCI/AGP to 66/33 or whatever is closest to that.
- 5:4 ratio clock (CPU:RAM) or set dram Frequency to 333
- bump to 250fsb slowly by tens just to make sure everything is working ok.
- Memory = SPD or your manufacturer's timing.
- once you hit 250fsb, your done!

*NOTE*: if your cpu becomes unstable, try bumping voltage to 1.6v, but most of the time, it should work with stock voltage.

read here to see the changes

 

[xerotheory]

thank you so much for the help, the pc is arriving tomorrow at 3pm so i should get back to you guys by then

 

[xerotheory]

guys i have a problem, I have 2 hard drives both of wich have windows 2k installed on them

I plugged the new hard drives in my new pc, and set them both on the primary channel and i tried both primary and slave for both of them.

The hard drives are recognized in BIOS, but windows wont start.

It gets to the "Verifying DMI Pool Data " step, but after that it just says "Please insert system disk and press enter"

what gives?

 

[User1001]

wrong forum to post in but you need to reinstall the os and format the slave,

 

[Duvie]

Mhy opinion I would send the board back and pay the restock (maybe wont have to) or sell it on ebay and get a real board....

You got a board to run with a 800fsb p4c chip and it is not dual channel??? My god that is nuts.....

Are you sure it supports HT?? Also most of te via boards if I remember lacked agp/pci locks ad that is also going to hamper you in ocing this thing....

Overall a poor choice of board to go with a 2.4c...You should have came here and asked or did a search...it would have likely taken you less then 20-30 minutes to get the correct answer...


SELL THIS AND BUY A IS7, AI7, IC7 off of the boards or brand new....You can likely find it used or new in the 90-120 range....

Otherwise in my opinion unless you have a dud of a chip anyways this ocing ventur will not go far and goo luck reaching 3ghz....

 

[xerotheory]

x(

yea it supports hyperthreading.

i went into timing and voltage setting place in the bios, and the front side bus is greyed out, what gives? and how do i enable it so that it lets me change it?

in the manual it says that "this motherboard supports overclocking, blah blah blah dont overclock blah blah void warranty blah blah"

so how do i ungrey it out?

also whats the DRAM?

also sicne im not able to lock the pci/agp how much of an impact will that have? I cant return the motherboard, parents wont let me. I heard that since you cant lock the pci/agp you can edit the dividers or something.


hmm, well do you think maybe i can get 2.8? or 2.9 speeds? if not do you think 2.4ghz will be enough for the year?

 

[Duvie]

I bet the fsb is greyed out until you hit one of the other cpu controls to like manual or expert settings....


I amnot sure about agp/pci dividers but I imagine since you can't lock it means you likely need to hit milestones in fsb to get it to swicth dividers and get the agp/pci back to spec or close to....

200fsb uses a 1/6 pci divider and a 1/3 agp divider....

Likely the next milestone would be 1/8 pci divider at 266fsb and a 1/4 agp divider...The problem is it leaves a big hole where you may not be able to run stable and makes you have one helluva a jump to get it back into spec..

The above is an educated guess because generally these p4 boards have been locked now for about 2 years and a lot of amd boards as well...I another clear sign Via is about played out altogether in the enthusiast mobo market...Not even on the radar with current p4 systems so I am realy shocked anyone recommeded this chipset...Yeah you probably saved some money but for the lack of features...Oh yeah you paid for it!!!!


Tell Mom and Dad to hush up!!! They likely know nothing about this stuff and you can tell tem you didn't do the research properly and now you are correcting it....Heck tell them something is wrong with it or something is not compatable and send it back...

 

[xerotheory]

so what your saying is that its going to change once it reaches 266fsb, but if i stay below 266 it should be fine rite?

isnt 3.0 reached with a fsb of 250?

 

[Duvie]

The problem is beween 200 to 265fsb it will stay at the 1/6 divider and thus once you hit about 38-40pci mhz or at about 230-240 you may start experiencing hdd corruption and possibly lead to failure of HDD....Some agp cards may not like running much more then 68-70agp speed and this may limit you further....

I don't think you get to 250fsb...You better make it to 266 then....

 

[xerotheory]

hmm this is really depressing me

what speeds do you think ill be able to reach?

also will 2.4 be enough for a year? i mean the rest of the system is good rite? 512mb ddr 3200 radeon 9700pro?

 

[xerotheory]

bump

 

[Duvie]

The rest of the system is fine, though I likely wouldn't have bought the corsair value ram when I could have gotten some winbond BH-5 chips for near same cost and they can do cas 2 at 400ddr......

2.4ghz is good for most period..I am not sure your intended use...

At stock everything you bought a nice system at undoubtedly a very good price...However to OC out of this is likely extremely limited...

Dual channel can bring anywhere from 5-10% better peformance at same clock speed....Also this board may not let you tap true potential of chip so therefore who knows how much that may cost you in mhz of clock speed...


Trust me...Sell it here in the boards...I am sure it is a great mobo for someone whose intent is not to OC...Sell it as brand new tested for a few days....Then buy a used IS7 or IC7 or something on the boards as well for cheap..

 

[CoDaBu]

Originally posted by: xerotheory


All i want to achieve is around a speed of 3.0ghz, I heard that the 2.4 can reach 3.2 speeds with stock cooling.

yeah it is possible, you have to have good ram though cause 3.2 is at 260fsb which is easily possible but it also depends on the stepping, if you are lucky you will get an M0 stepping which i have seen easily do 3.6 on air. most of the new ones though are D1's which should be able to reach 3.2 depending on your mobo, you should have gotten a p4c800e-deluxe.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: xerotheory
hmm this is really depressing me

what speeds do you think ill be able to reach?

also will 2.4 be enough for a year? i mean the rest of the system is good rite? 512mb ddr 3200 radeon 9700pro?

Well, it looks like if you aren't going to get another motherboard, you're gonna be stuck with a 2.4 running at 2.4, unless it will do 266fsb. Of course, with the right mobos, some people are getting 290+ fsb's with that chip. I don't know how "good" of a deal you got on your Via chipset board, but a GOOD 865PE board is selling for under $100 on newegg, if I remember correctly...