it turned out that the second card i bought, used from ebay, was a bad card. even though it was the same modal number as the first card i bought new, this ebay card could not be over clocked. in fact i have just tried it all by its self and any clock speed test including default fails.. so i assume this is why i had all these problems when i went to over clock them together, the setting accepted for some reason because the first did but since the second would not work faster they were running out of sync.. also another funny note, this ebay card got 18fps in a game the first card got 32fps in. so i am surprised that i saw the performance increase that i did when adding this defective card to my good one. most games played with a good 30% fps increase, only a few games like far cry played really crappy like it would go from 50fps to 70 fps yet the smoothness would be very rough, not bad fps rough but something else.. im sure that dick face who sold me that card on ebay for $250 is just laughing that he got so much for it after he probably burnt it by over clocking it too much although i didnt know you can hurt them by doing that or perhaps the fan went bad and it bernt i wouldnt be surprised because the fan on the ebay one was much more noisey than the first card so he could of replaced it with something crappy..
anyways i sold the good one for a hundred, and gave the bad one to a friend who wont know any better.. then got myself a ati x1950 pro that has a near x1950 xt clock speed for only $200. the card runs better than my previous 7800 gt sli, and it is whisper quiet. its an IceQ3 modal and i recommend poor ppl to get one instead of the more expensive ones.. you can even crossfire it but i dont have the $ for another nor do i need another because this single one plays all the games fine. like it plays splinter cell double agent with everything at the highest, except shadows need to be turned off, and it very rarly dips below 30, but sometimes in low 20s when looking at the ground.. and rainbow six vegas runs in 30's 40's most of the time with full gfx quality in 1024x768 but as long as shadows are turned off.. shadows are a funny thing because when i compare what the game looks like between shadows fully on and with them off you arnt really missing much of the experience yet they can bring 40fps to 10fps quiet easy and its like that in every new game i play such as neverwinter nights 2 was unplayable until i decided heck ill just turn off shadows and guess what i couldnt even tell they were off because they dont appeal to me
case closed, screw ebay 4 ever
(but what fun is that 
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