over the range microwaves... CHANGED TO HD, YOU #*(&%ers!!!!

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DrPizza

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Curious - they all have plugs. They all result in wires running through your kitchen cabinet so you can plug them in. Why aren't they hard wired from behind the microwave, so you don't have to cut a giant hole in the cabinet?

Seems silly.

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Update:

Started the installation. WTF???!!!!! I've been waiting for the microwave to arrive. I got the specs off the home depot site: 16.19" height. <--- this is important. It arrived today. BULLSHIT! YOU BASTARDS! IT IS NOT 16.19"!!! I did "plan ahead" as suggested below by dougp. And, in planning ahead, I put up all my hardibacker board on the walls, attached very securely with thinset and gigantic screws into the studs. On top of that, I have my tile back splash, cemented in place with the best quality mastic that I could get, right up to a hair over 16 3/8" from the bottom of the cabinet. (that leaves room for a bit of grout to give it a perfectly finished look.) The wall was done. All that I was waiting for was this BIGGER THAN THE DIMENSIONS YOU SOLD ME microwave. Width - fine. That's standard. I knew it would be a hair under 30"; they all are. Depth? Who gives a shit. Height - that one is sort of important, as I have to have it a certain height above the stove top, etc. And, if you're going to report a height to the nearest 100th of an inch, you damn well better not be off by more than 1/4 of an inch!

The brackets are more than 16 1/2"
The microwave is more than 16 1/2"

How can you fuck up a simple measurement like that?! Damn it! That's going to cost me several hours of extra labor.

BTW, anyone know how to cut very hard tiles that are already cemented in place? I don't know what they make those tiles out of, but they did more of a number to a brand new diamond blade on a wet saw than the granite did. Damn it! I am pissed.
 
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Probably for ease of replacing them. I just stuck an outlet in the wall in the cabinet, came down from the attic so it was easy.
 
DrPizza

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Well, I left the wire in the wall behind it - I can put the outlet anywhere I please. So, that's not an issue. But, as far as changing one out easily, seems that unless it's the same model, you need to know what you're doing in the first place. Thus, why not hard wire it?
 
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Well, I left the wire in the wall behind it - I can put the outlet anywhere I please. So, that's not an issue. But, as far as changing one out easily, seems that unless it's the same model, you need to know what you're doing in the first place. Thus, why not hard wire it?
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Nah, it's not that difficult to replace a microwave. I've done it a couple times.

Not having to hard wire it to the house is a blessing. Just plug it in and forget it.
 
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Because hardwiring in a freefloating, 40 pound, awkward weighted device with a plug behind it with little room to maneuver by yourself isn't fun.

 
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Originally posted by: vi edit
Because hardwiring in a freefloating, 40 pound, awkward weighted device with a plug behind it with little room to maneuver by yourself isn't fun.
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:laugh: Yeah, there's that too.
 
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Originally posted by: vi edit
Re Tile Cutting:

One of these +
http://www.toolbarn.com/product/mkdiamond/MK-70/

A blade like this
http://www.toolbarn.com/product/hitachi/728740/

Should do the trick. Do you have ceramic, porcelain, or marble tile?
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I'd assume they were marble, or another hard stone - considering both ceramic and porcelain break pretty damn easy when you drop something on them, he should be able to cut through them with a diamond blade on a sawzall.

This happened to my grandparents a few months ago - they wanted a shorter microwave to match their cabinets, and HD delivered the wrong microwave TWICE.
 
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Porcelain chips easy, but it's a bitch to cut through. If you aren't using a wet saw you run the risk of burning it. And with a wetsaw you can expect to go through a blade pretty quickly.
 
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Originally posted by: lxskllr
Could you score, and then snap the tile?
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Not easily if they are already fixed on place. Properly performed thinset/mastic to cement backer board makes for one hell of a bond.

He's going to have to use a tile saw to "score" it and then take a chisel and try to pry them off.
 
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The poor measurement really sucks. I find that is fairly common with kitchen items. They somehow choose a number and print that instead of printing the actual dimensions. It happened with my fridge, the hinges are about 1/8" taller than reported (and by the way, the hinges are about 1/16" too tall for me to open the cabinets above the fridge).

I've usually have removed tiles with a sawsall or sledgehammer. It doubt either of those would be your choice. I've once used a dremmel with a tile cutting bit to cut one tile. It would work, but it'll be a real PITA for multiple tiles. Chiselling off the top 1/4" and fixing the rough edge with grout might be your best option.

It might not meet code, but for someone with even a little bit of skill, it won't be hard to drill a ~1/4" hole, cut the cord in half, thread the cord, then reconnect the cord. Heck, you may be able to open the microwave, remove the cord, thread it through the 1/4" hole, and reconnect the cord to the microwave.
 
DrPizza

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re: the cord vs. hard wiring - that really didn't make a difference to me; I just found it odd that it wasn't an option. i.e. on my stove, I had the option of putting in a box & outlet, and putting a plug on the stove. I chose to hard wire the stove instead.
 
DrPizza

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Originally posted by: vi edit
Porcelain chips easy, but it's a bitch to cut through. If you aren't using a wet saw you run the risk of burning it. And with a wetsaw you can expect to go through a blade pretty quickly.
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porcelain for the backsplash/wall. And, you're right about being a bitch to cut through. When I did my patio last year, it barely wore my blade to cut a lot of pavers in half. (I prefer a much cleaner cut, hence, not just using a cold chisel. Plus, I only had 3 or 4 extra bricks for my design, out of 2400 bricks total.

But, those porcelain tiles wore out the diamond blade (wet saw) in a hell of a hurry, even compared to the granite.
 
DrPizza

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I just measured it very carefully - it's 16 3/8" not 16 3/16" (16.19") GRRR!

And, now I see Best Buy has the same microwave for $30 less... HD has the 110% pricematch guarantee. But, they were out of stock of the one we got, so does it count as a special order? Ughh. (It's on sale this week; otherwise it would have been more.)
 
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