Over 500 Somalias killed or wounded in January of 2010

[Noobtastic]

GENEVA (AFP) – Some 258 civilians were killed in clashes between government troops and rebel militia in central Somalia last month, the UNHCR said Tuesday, making January the deadliest month since August.
"Violence in Somalia sharply escalated in January, resulting in hundreds of civilian deaths and widespread destruction," said Andrej Mahecic, spokesman of the UN refugees agency.
"According to local sources, intense clashes between government forces and militia groups fighting for control of the conflict-torn central regions have left at least 258 civilians dead and another 253 wounded, which makes January the deadliest month since last August," he said.
The fighting displaced over 80,000 Somalis during the month, including 18,000 who fled their homes in the capital Mogadishu, the UNHCR said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100202/wl_afp/somaliaunresttollunhcr

I was talking to a military buddy of mine about how most of the bleeding hearts rarely protest conflicts independent of the USA or Israel.

Wars that cannot be accused of promoting the "military industrialized" complex, neo-con imperialism, Zionist war machine....are simply ignored.

I look at Somalia and I see an underrated conflict that gets no attention. Over 28,000 killed since 2006. 1.5 million homeless. 400,000 death due to starvation.

Where is the protest? Where is the "Free Somalia?"

It bothers me how many progressives hide behind certain states or people in the name of human rights, merely to bash unpopular states (typically those loaded with Jews), but conflicts inspired by Arab foreign policy or Islamic fundamentalist that cannot be categorically blamed on America are silenced.

Does anyone really care when it doesn't suite their political philosophy?

 

[Infohawk]

That's because Americans have no control over wars that don't involve America or foreign aid to Israel. Not that complicated is it?

But plenty of people are bent out of shape about China and Tibet, for example.

 

[JSt0rm]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100202/wl_afp/somaliaunresttollunhcr

I was talking to a military buddy of mine about how most of the bleeding hearts rarely protest conflicts independent of the USA or Israel.

Wars that cannot be accused of promoting the "military industrialized" complex, neo-con imperialism, Zionist war machine....are simply ignored.

I look at Somalia and I see an underrated conflict that gets no attention. Over 28,000 killed since 2006. 1.5 million homeless. 400,000 death due to starvation.

Where is the protest? Where is the "Free Somalia?"

It bothers me how many progressives hide behind certain states or people in the name of human rights, merely to bash unpopular states (typically those loaded with Jews), but conflicts inspired by Arab foreign policy or Islamic fundamentalist that cannot be categorically blamed on America are silenced.

Does anyone really care when it doesn't suite their political philosophy?

uhh... Isn't part of the definition of neo-con someone who wants to project U.S. military might all over the planet? So I bet lots of neocons are frothing at the mouth waiting to go and make things "right" all around the planet. At what cost? How much of our treasure and blood would you spend to make the world into what you see in your mind?

Are you also mad at New Zealand?

 

[xj0hnx]

Didn't we try the Somalia thing with less than stellar results already? Kind fo damned if we do, damned if we don't sort of thing. We do, and we are imperialist scum trying to force our will on people that don't want it, if we don't it's crying because we don't do anything that doesn't suit our imperialist agenda. Fucking retarded.

 

[Noobtastic]

uhh... Isn't part of the definition of neo-con someone who wants to project U.S. military might all over the planet? So I bet lots of neocons are frothing at the mouth waiting to go and make things "right" all around the planet. At what cost? How much of our treasure and blood would you spend to make the world into what you see in your mind?

Are you also mad at New Zealand?

Neo-conservatism is an ideology that promotes exporting democracy to other regimes.

Interestingly, Kennedy was the original neo-con because it was he who engaged in one of the most wide-scaled interventionist Presidencies in the history of American politics. Millions died under his authority and foreign policy agenda, but don't tell a democrat that.

That's because Americans have no control over wars that don't involve America or foreign aid to Israel. Not that complicated is it?

Incorrect. Egypt is a prime sponsor of the Islamists in Sudan, having shipped weapons and supplies to the state militias. Egypt is #3 in US aid, behind Iraq and Israel.

But no progressives claiming aid to Egypt should be held condition on its ruthless treatment of black Sudanese and support for terror in Somalia.

 

[woolfe9999]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100202/wl_afp/somaliaunresttollunhcr

I was talking to a military buddy of mine about how most of the bleeding hearts rarely protest conflicts independent of the USA or Israel.

Wars that cannot be accused of promoting the "military industrialized" complex, neo-con imperialism, Zionist war machine....are simply ignored.

I look at Somalia and I see an underrated conflict that gets no attention. Over 28,000 killed since 2006. 1.5 million homeless. 400,000 death due to starvation.

Where is the protest? Where is the "Free Somalia?"

It bothers me how many progressives hide behind certain states or people in the name of human rights, merely to bash unpopular states (typically those loaded with Jews), but conflicts inspired by Arab foreign policy or Islamic fundamentalist that cannot be categorically blamed on America are silenced.

Does anyone really care when it doesn't suite their political philosophy?

I have another question. Why is it that every death of a Palestinian caused by the Israelis is all over the western press, particularly in Europe, whereas deaths in places like Sudan and Somalia are almost totally ignored? It seems the Palestinians have been about 100 fold more successful in publicizing their plight than any other group. You've noticed that there is hypocrisy at work. I'm just not sure you are drawing the right lesson here.

- wolf

 

[werepossum]

I have another question. Why is it that every death of a Palestinian caused by the Israelis is all over the western press, particularly in Europe, whereas deaths in places like Sudan and Somalia are almost totally ignored? It seems the Palestinians have been about 100 fold more successful in publicizing their plight than any other group. You've noticed that there is hypocrisy at work. I'm just not sure you are drawing the right lesson here.

- wolf

That one is easy. The left controls the media, the left hates Jews in general and Israel in particular, and the left sees Israel as America's "fault". Thus anything Israel does can be blamed on the USA. Aid given to Egypt goes to Muslims, who have special status among the left as warriors against Christian oppression, and thus cannot be criticized unless Egypt were to use that aid on something seen to be in the USA's or Israel's best interests. For instance, if Egypt is to build a wall keeping out Palestinian smugglers, then it is subject to media attention.

 

[Noobtastic]

I have another question. Why is it that every death of a Palestinian caused by the Israelis is all over the western press, particularly in Europe, whereas deaths in places like Sudan and Somalia are almost totally ignored? It seems the Palestinians have been about 100 fold more successful in publicizing their plight than any other group. You've noticed that there is hypocrisy at work. I'm just not sure you are drawing the right lesson here.

- wolf

Incorrect. Palestinians are irrelevant. Only when Israel is involved do the leftists complain.

For example, over 300 Gazans have died in the tunnels in 2009, 50 of them children. However, because Hamas is the party who built these tunnels and employs children as young as 6 to smuggle goods, the Guardian BBC, etc...say nothing.

When Israel killed 2 Palestinians who were trying to smuggle weapons into southern Israel, BBC was all over it and practically portrayed the dead Palestinians as civilians.

Look at black september. Over a week Jordan killed 15,000-20,000 Palestinians during Black September in the 1970s. No cries, whining, or anything.

However, every leftist goes on and on about Sabra and Shatila, even though Israel only played an indirect role in the massacre (which was over-exaggerated to begin with.)

Look in Lebanon. Over 250,000 Palestinians are forced to live in horrible camps surrounded by check points and fences built by Lebanon. They can't even access the Lebanon state, apply for medical treatment, etc. Yet no media covers the situation there.

Unlike in Gaza, where thousands of Palestinians seek medical treatment in Israel every year.

Over 150 Palestinians killed in the Battle of Gaza, and nobody complained. Hamas was lining Fatah thugs up against walls and shooting them in the back of the head. there is a video online that shows Hamas executing over 30 Palestinians face down on the floor...though I'm not sure If I would be breaking the rules for posting it.

 

[werepossum]

Incorrect. Palestinians are irrelevant. Only when Israel is involved do the leftists complain.

For example, over 300 Gazans have died in the tunnels in 2009, 50 of them children. However, because Hamas is the party who built these tunnels and employs children as young as 6 to smuggle goods, the Guardian BBC, etc...say nothing.

When Israel killed 2 Palestinians who were trying to smuggle weapons into southern Israel, BBC was all over it and practically portrayed the dead Palestinians as civilians.

Look at black september. Over a week Jordan killed 15,000-20,000 Palestinians during Black September in the 1970s. No cries, whining, or anything.

However, every leftist goes on and on about Sabra and Shatila, even though Israel only played an indirect role in the massacre (which was over-exaggerated to begin with.)

Look in Lebanon. Over 250,000 Palestinians are forced to live in horrible camps surrounded by check points and fences built by Lebanon. They can't even access the Lebanon state, apply for medical treatment, etc. Yet no media covers the situation there.

Unlike in Gaza, where thousands of Palestinians seek medical treatment in Israel every year.

Over 150 Palestinians killed in the Battle of Gaza, and nobody complained. Hamas was lining Fatah thugs up against walls and shooting them in the back of the head. there is a video online that shows Hamas executing over 30 Palestinians face down on the floor...though I'm not sure If I would be breaking the rules for posting it.

Very good point.

 

[woolfe9999]

Incorrect. Palestinians are irrelevant. Only when Israel is involved do the leftists complain.

For example, over 300 Gazans have died in the tunnels in 2009, 50 of them children. However, because Hamas is the party who built these tunnels and employs children as young as 6 to smuggle goods, the Guardian BBC, etc...say nothing.

When Israel killed 2 Palestinians who were trying to smuggle weapons into southern Israel, BBC was all over it and practically portrayed the dead Palestinians as civilians.

Look at black september. Over a week Jordan killed 15,000-20,000 Palestinians during Black September in the 1970s. No cries, whining, or anything.

However, every leftist goes on and on about Sabra and Shatila, even though Israel only played an indirect role in the massacre (which was over-exaggerated to begin with.)

Look in Lebanon. Over 250,000 Palestinians are forced to live in horrible camps surrounded by check points and fences built by Lebanon. They can't even access the Lebanon state, apply for medical treatment, etc. Yet no media covers the situation there.

Unlike in Gaza, where thousands of Palestinians seek medical treatment in Israel every year.

Over 150 Palestinians killed in the Battle of Gaza, and nobody complained. Hamas was lining Fatah thugs up against walls and shooting them in the back of the head. there is a video online that shows Hamas executing over 30 Palestinians face down on the floor...though I'm not sure If I would be breaking the rules for posting it.

You're right. I framed the question as Palestinian deaths getting more attention than the deaths of Sudanese or Somalie because there must be some explanation for why Palestinians lives *appear* to have more value than the lives of others. I was being facetious. You provided the answer that was implicit in my question - it isn't the identity of the victim but rather the identity of the perpetrator that explains the difference in attention.

I find it ironic that the OP, who is going on about the "Zionist war machine," etc. is whining about how Somalian deaths aren't getting enough attention, and not realizing how this damages his underlying point rather than supports is.

- wolf

 

[palehorse]

hmm...

Somalia's Al Shabaab to Ally With Al Qaeda
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584516,00.html

This comes as no surprise... does it?