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Outrageous Story -- Kindergarten teacher has boy who may have Asperger's voted out of class.

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Here's an outrageous story. A kindergarten teacher had other students in her class vote whether or not to kick out a possibly disabled boy who didn't fit in, a young child who may suffer from a horrible condition known as Aspergers Syndrome (which is a form of very high functioning autism).

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/200...te-whether-5-year-old/

Does this woman have any brains at all or has she just watched too many episodes of Survivor? I hope that the child's family sues both the school district and her personally and that they insist that she be fired and that her teaching certificate be revoked.
 

spittledip

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Ah yes, the new popular diagnosis for children. It is always smart to get a diagnosis from a school prinicipal. How about geting the kid to meet with a therapist first and let them determine what the diagnosis could be, and then a team can figure it out rather than start off with that idea?

That aside, the teacher should be fired. pretty stupid.
 

ScottyB

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You have no idea how much "developmentally challenged" students ruin the educational possibilities of their classmates. There needs to be "special schools" for "special" students.
 

Cogman

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The whole "Aspergers Syndrome" thing is a moot point that is just trying to get some tears jerked. If the mother is in the process of testing her child, how is the teacher supposed to know? Sounds like a sue happy family looking to get rich of the state.

That said, The teachers actions where inappropriate. When you single an individual out like that and ask kids to say what they dislike about a person, kids will be very cruel and start to think of things they don't like, killing the kids self confidence. I don't think any lesion of value is taught from that. That is where my anger for the teacher would come in and the teacher should definitively face some disciplinary action for such a cruel action (and the school should consider termination).
 

Moonbeam

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He should be old enough by 5th grade to assemble an assassination team to kill her.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: ScottyB
You have no idea how much "developmentally challenged" students ruin the educational possibilities of their classmates. There needs to be "special schools" for "special" students.
that may be true. but to do what this teacher did was insane. you don't do that to 5 yr olds. no matter if they are "developmentally challenged" or not.

hope the teacher loses her job. i sure woulent want her teaching my kids
 

nismotigerwvu

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Yeah, if this teacher had even an ounce of intelligence she would have contacted the parents of the child and worked something out about having him placed in a special program if it was really that detrimental to the rest of the class. Also, if an adult needs to ask a group of 5 year olds how to do their job you know something is horribly wrong.
 

Fox5

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: ScottyB
You have no idea how much "developmentally challenged" students ruin the educational possibilities of their classmates. There needs to be "special schools" for "special" students.
that may be true. but to do what this teacher did was insane. you don't do that to 5 yr olds. no matter if they are "developmentally challenged" or not.

hope the teacher loses her job. i sure woulent want her teaching my kids
Seriously, how could she think putting such a thing up for a vote is a good idea? Maybe if the kid was really disliked, she could discuss it with the kids in some form, but she's the authority figure, the kids should not get a vote or a voice in whether or not to remove another student.
If he was really troublesome, she could discipline him, but this was 100% not the correct action to take.
 

fallout man

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Someone ought to show that bitch the hot end of a tiki-torch. What a wise and beautiful woman.
 

MadRat

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Why are people so hard on the teacher for removing the distraction? If kindergarteners can discern right from wrong then surely adults should also be able to do the same. The teacher was merely using mob mentality to try and get the kid into respecting the norms expected within the classroom. The school obviously did not have a plan of action in this case for the teacher to take. Its the school's fault, really. People need to stop jumping on the band wagon that teachers are all idiots. Quite frankly the lemon in the head office should of had this kind of problem covered with policy before the school year even started.

And "maybe" has Asperger's Syndrome is absolutely no fucking excuse for the kid. The kid is not protected by special ed rules until he has positively been labeled. So don't cut the kid slack... yet.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
He should be old enough by 3rd grade to assemble an assassination team to kill her.
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wetech

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Originally posted by: MadRat
Why are people so hard on the teacher for removing the distraction? If kindergarteners can discern right from wrong then surely adults should also be able to do the same. The teacher was merely using mob mentality to try and get the kid into respecting the norms expected within the classroom. The school obviously did not have a plan of action in this case for the teacher to take. Its the school's fault, really. People need to stop jumping on the band wagon that teachers are all idiots. Quite frankly the lemon in the head office should of had this kind of problem covered with policy before the school year even started.

And "maybe" has Asperger's Syndrome is absolutely no fucking excuse for the kid. The kid is not protected by special ed rules until he has positively been labeled. So don't cut the kid slack... yet.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
He should be old enough by 3rd grade to assemble an assassination team to kill her.
fixed
No one is being hard on the teacher for removing the distraction. They're being hard on the teacher for the method used. Forcing a 5 year old to sit there while you allow the entire class to list the things they don't like about him, and then holding a vote to kick him out of class is just plain cruel.

You say that adults should be able to discern right from wrong. Obviously this one couldn't. She should have sent the kid to the pricinpal's office if he was really being a problem.

And I don't think the concensus is that all teachers are idiots. This teacher just happens to be one.
 

fallout man

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As several folks in this thread have pointed out--

If the boy had bevavioural problems that required special attention, the way to work through the problem is to bring it to the attention of the school administration and the boy's parents.

This wise and beautiful woman-rag was playing out some sick "weakest link" fantasy at the expense of a five year old child. There is no excuse for this kind of shit.

Also, as many have mentioned, grade-school children are fucking monsters. It's right about that age when they realize how stigmatizing can be socially profitable. Shame on this teacher in exploiting that trend.

From the article on the subject, the mother of the boy comments that the ONLY friend this boy has been able to make so far had to participate in the "vote."

Stupid. fucking. wise and beautiful woman. teacher.
 

Cogman

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Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: MadRat
Why are people so hard on the teacher for removing the distraction? If kindergarteners can discern right from wrong then surely adults should also be able to do the same. The teacher was merely using mob mentality to try and get the kid into respecting the norms expected within the classroom. The school obviously did not have a plan of action in this case for the teacher to take. Its the school's fault, really. People need to stop jumping on the band wagon that teachers are all idiots. Quite frankly the lemon in the head office should of had this kind of problem covered with policy before the school year even started.

And "maybe" has Asperger's Syndrome is absolutely no fucking excuse for the kid. The kid is not protected by special ed rules until he has positively been labeled. So don't cut the kid slack... yet.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
He should be old enough by 3rd grade to assemble an assassination team to kill her.
fixed
No one is being hard on the teacher for removing the distraction. They're being hard on the teacher for the method used. Forcing a 5 year old to sit there while you allow the entire class to list the things they don't like about him, and then holding a vote to kick him out of class is just plain cruel.

You say that adults should be able to discern right from wrong. Obviously this one couldn't. She should have sent the kid to the pricinpal's office if he was really being a problem.

And I don't think the concensus is that all teachers are idiots. This teacher just happens to be one.
Agreed, the WAY the teacher removed the kid was wrong and cruel. Removing the kid may have been the right thing to do, but alienating him certainly wasn't.
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: Cogman
The whole "Aspergers Syndrome" thing is a moot point that is just trying to get some tears jerked. If the mother is in the process of testing her child, how is the teacher supposed to know? Sounds like a sue happy family looking to get rich of the state.
Actually its pretty clear the teacher DID have a good idea what is going on with the kid.

Alex has had disciplinary issues because of his disabilities, Barton said. The school and district has met with Barton and her son to create an individual education plan, she said. His teacher, Wendy Portillo, has attended these meetings, she said.
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/200...te-whether-5-year-old/

Basically education plans like these are created when the school recognizes a child has special issues, and the parents would have let the school officials and teachers know about the current state of testing for their child and what the current results suggested. (Getting the child formally diagnosed is a long process.)

Its not clear the parents are ultimately going to sue at all, they may just want the teacher fired, which is what should happen in this case.

 

MadRat

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You heard the parents' side of the story. The teacher is only said to have confirmed that some incident did happen, not that the story presented was factual. This is clearly hearsay and doesn't amount to a credible story. The parent is probably floating a trial balloon to see if some lawyer is going to come take her case pro bono. When the "authorities" drop the case you know nothing happened. If it was even a hint of unethical or abusive it would of been pursued. Sometimes people around here really get caught up in tabloid news and think what they read is always fact.
 

Carmen813

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The way we treat the mentally ill or disabled in this country is truly what's truly apalling.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Carmen813
The way we treat the mentally ill or disabled in this country is truly what's truly apalling.
Absolutely! Electing one President has been a disaster for all of us.

 

Genx87

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My wife's nephew is diagnosed with autism and let me tell you the public school system is wholly inept at dealing with it. Her sister is taking him out of the public school system and placing him into a private school. What happened here is child's play compared to the shit her nephew has gone through.
 
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Originally posted by: JS80
I don't believe in Aspergers
Maybe the people with Aspergers don't believe in you? Remember that weird nerdy guy in high school who always said strange things? Wouldn't be surprised if we had a couple Aspergians here; many of them are extremely bright and academically accomplished and computers would be right up their alley. In fact, I think I remember hearing an NPR interview of the guy who invented Bit Torrent and he said he suffered from it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
 

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