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Our Objective reality is hollow

Braznor

Braznor

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Mark my words, this is a pure philosophical thread.

Egos are gonna bruised in this thread. Some of you may never recover from the hurt experienced in this thread. Some of you may yet emerge victorious. It seems fair that I warn you all about the repercussions from engaging seriously in a discussion in this thread.

Again this is a pure philosophical thread.

Grammar Nazis need not apply. this is not a thread dealing with semantics. This is a pure philosophical thread, what counts here are your thoughts and ideas.

Here is my hypothesis.

Our reality arises from two layers embedded deeper than the layer of spacetime of this universe.

1. The layer of Pure Spectrum.
2. The layer of forms.

We arise from the interaction from the intricate forms formed by these two layers. Spectrum is of course the cognitive spectrum in the form of colors and the various other sensations we experience. I, of course, believe there is just one flavor of spectrum (This spectrum takes the form of the spectrum we recognize due to the influence of the flavors of the forms in this universe, therefore blue light is a spectrum associated with a higher frequency of light and red with one of lower frequency.)


The layers of form connects one form of consciousness with another to form a higher consciousness. For example, the form of a human being demands that the neurons in our head connect with each other to form the higher consciousness of a human being. Each neuron has its own consciousness, but combined together into a whole by the form of the brain and that of a human being, the individual consciousness of these neurons forms the consciousness of the human being i.e. the human being aka ourselves.

You have two choices ahead of you here.

1. discuss the propositions here.
2. Be a prick and ridicule the propositions I proposed here.

The choice is yours, get set GO!
 
dasherHampton said:
Before I can ridicule you I need to know what pure spectrum is.
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Ordinary Spectrum are just the sensations we experience by interaction with the universe, i.e higher frequency light is blue, lower frequency light is blue, heat is warmth, lower temperature is cold. Pure spectrum is the spectrum without any form.

Pure spectrum is cognitive experience without the perversion of physical form. It is impossible to define what it is. But it does exist, that's all I know and care about. Perhaps pure awareness????
 
Braznor said:
Ordinary Spectrum are just the sensations we experience by interaction with the universe, i.e higher frequency light is blue, lower frequency light is blue, heat is warmth, lower temperature is cold. Pure spectrum is the spectrum without any form.

Pure spectrum is cognitive experience without the perversion of physical form. It is impossible to define what it is. But it does exist, that's all I know and care about. Perhaps pure awareness????
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So I could be a blade of grass, and my cells provide stimulus to my being, creating the reality I perceive.

Or I could be in some sort of Truman Show, with my reality being created by factors beyond my control.

I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I just punched myself in the face and it felt real.
 
dasherHampton said:
So I could be a blade of grass, and my cells provide stimulus to my being, creating the reality I perceive.

Or I could be in some sort of Truman Show, with my reality being created by factors beyond my control.

I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I just punched myself in the face and it felt real.
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Your punch in your face could just as well be governed by the rules of the objective reality, hollow as they might be. The pure spectrum that is your true self will not experience the spectrum of the punch to your face while your ordinary spectrum would since it is limited to the influences of this universe.
 
Our objective reality is governed by rules just as hollow as its existence. Forms without spectrum are hollow.
 
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Braznor said:
Your punch in your face could just as well be governed by the rules of the objective reality, hollow as they might be. The pure spectrum that is your true self will not experience the spectrum of the punch to your face while your ordinary spectrum would since it is limited to the influences of this universe.
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Granted, I didn't punch hard. But why would my reality even create the sphere of existence that leads me to punching myself?

I chose to punch myself at the moment I did. It was not predetermined. Punching myself was not a productive action.
 
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dasherHampton said:
But why wo


Granted, I didn't punch hard. But why would my reality even create the sphere of existence that leads me to punching myself?

I chose to punch myself at the moment I did. It was not predetermined. Punching myself was not a productive action.
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I believe the universe itself is in the quest of a perfect configuration. A configuration of spectrum and form which is the most internal ideal form towards which all of our actions leads to bring about such an ideal state.

If such an ideal form calls for punching yourself in your face atleast once. Then the rules of the hollow objective reality will make you punch yourself in the face once or maybe even not just just once, but perhaps multiple times. Perhaps such an ideal configuration of the universe demands you leave yourself brain damaged. One cannot say what actions and sacrifices are required to bring about such an ideal state. But rest assured, if you have to punch yourself in the face atleast once, it is towards a better configuration of the universe. The Universe can be extremely callous and cruel.
 
No, your post caused me to punch myself in the face, but had no intention of actually causing me to punch myself in the face.

That's the reality. That's the disconnect.
 
dasherHampton said:
No, your post caused me to punch myself in the face, but had no intention of actually causing me to punch myself in the face.

That's the reality. That's the disconnect.
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Perhaps my post was one of the paths through which the march of the universe continues towards such an ideal configuration. You had no intention of punching yourself. Nevertheless my post caused you to do so. This is the march of the Universe towards the ideal configuration. Your intentions do not make the reality as it is. It is the intention and will of the universe which brings about the true reality.
 
Please do not dissolve this thread into trivialities. If you cannot engage me in a decent argument. please step aside and make way for others better than you.
 
dasherHampton said:
I didn't actually punch myself in the face.

I created a seperate time stream in which you thought I punched myself in the face.
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Who am I? A nobody? You trying to mislead me or anyone else is of no consequence. So what is of consequence really? The steady march of the universe towards the ideal configuration of spectrum and form. You punching yourself or not punching yourself is irrelevant compared to this march. If the universe deems it fit, you will castrate yourself with a chainsaw, or perhaps you will be as you are now.

I'm really a nobody, you trying to delude me is no consequence. The universe will achieve its ideal configuration without the help of you or me. I'm just the messenger boy as of now. Perhaps one day you will be too.
 
Please do not dissolve this thread into trivialities. If you cannot engage me in a decent argument. please step aside and make way for others better than you.
 
You're arguing for the existence of God, or a higher being, that controls us. There is no such thing. Reality is made up of how our brains perceive it through chemical interactions.

Or maybe reality is simply all that dark matter floating around that we can't see.
 
Braznor said:
You have two choices ahead of you here.
1. discuss the propositions here.
2. Be a prick and ridicule the propositions I proposed here.
The choice is yours, get set GO!
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Braznor said:
Please do not dissolve this thread into trivialities. If you cannot engage me in a decent argument. please step aside and make way for others better than you.
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Okay then, clown. You don't want discussion, you want agreement.
Empty rambling does not a philosopher make. Put down the dimethyl triptamine.

You are trying to make profound "truths" from otherwise inconsequential nouns like "form" and "substance". It doesn't mean jack shit. It's just you trying to make entirely normal conjecture into some metaphysical magic.

Terminology with such definitions exist only in your mind. It doesn't mean it's correct just because you 'think' or 'feel' it.
 
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Pretty much boils down to two things:

Does your hypothesis predict anything?

Can these predictions be objectively tested?
 
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