Our 401K provider is fleecing us !!

vulcanman

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After reading about the 401-K fee scandal that recently hit the wire,
I decided to look at the fee structure within my employer's 401-K (Nationwide
is our plan provider). We are a small company (about 100 employees).

I was surprised and shocked to learn that the plan provider penalizes
participants who choose to invest (wisely) in Index-based funds (eg.
Vanguard). Our provider charges a 2.69% annual "asset-management" fee
if we choose any index-based funds, or any fund with a low expense
ratio. A quick email to the plan representative yielded the following
response - "The
asset management fee which is a Nationwide fee that covers the platform cost
(i.e. 800 number, internet access, daily valuations, fund window feature,
seamless investing between different fund families, broker commission and
Pension Associat wrap fee). The asset management fee is determined by fund
classification".

I find it incredulous that the provider is allowed to levy such a
hefty percentage-based fee for what is essentially a fixed cost
expense for them. Are any laws being broken ? Is this the norm for
other companies ?

Unfortunately, I am the only one in the company attempting to raise
red flags about this ... and I stick out. I really would like to make
the company aware that we, the participants, are getting a raw deal.
How should I do this without alienting executive management.
 

radioouman

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Yikes.. that doesn't sound good.

There are plenty of 401k providers, and I would start by going to your HR department (or whoever manages your benefits). Make sure that they know what is going on.

If you company doesn't contribute anything, roll your 401k over to a Roth IRA and contibute on your own.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: radioouman
Yikes.. that doesn't sound good.

There are plenty of 401k providers, and I would start by going to your HR department (or whoever manages your benefits). Make sure that they know what is going on.

If you company doesn't contribute anything, roll your 401k over to a Roth IRA and contibute on your own.

:thumbsup:
 

dullard

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For small companies, you will always get fleeced with fees (for me, it is 4.5% of the investment money up front plus ~1% in fees/year plus $10/year and that is about the cheapest you can find for a small business). That is why so many people recommend investing in the 401K ONLY up to the company match. Then with the rest of your retirement money, open up a Roth IRA on your own. That way, you can minimize the fees.

Sure, someone from a top 100 company will come in here and post that their fees are small or non-existant. That is the benefit you get for working at a large company.
 

FelixDeCat

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That is sad. We are with Vanguard and pay only their fees. To top it off, my company pays an annual bonus of 15-20% of our base salaries into our 401k, no contributions required! :shocked:

I would pull my money and open up a private account, if HR will let you, especially if theres no match.
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
To top it off, my company pays an annual bonus of 15-20% of our base salaries into our 401k, no contributions required! :shocked:

:shocked: is right!

 

radioouman

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
That is sad. We are with Vanguard and pay only their fees. To top it off, my company pays an annual bonus of 15-20% of our base salaries into our 401k, no contributions required! :shocked:

I would pull my money and open up a private account, if HR will let you, especially if theres no match.

I want to work for FelixDeKat Capital Management, LLC!
 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: radioouman
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
That is sad. We are with Vanguard and pay only their fees. To top it off, my company pays an annual bonus of 15-20% of our base salaries into our 401k, no contributions required! :shocked:

I would pull my money and open up a private account, if HR will let you, especially if theres no match.

I want to work for FelixDeKat Capital Management, LLC!

And I would hire you too! Your salary would be ZERO because it doesnt exist - yet. Ive spent 15 years at a bank with a dream to one day venture off and collect hefty fees on small 100 person company 401k plans. ;)

When I reach a mill, I will plunder my 401k and make my dreams come true! :laugh:
 

vulcanman

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I sent off this same question to Smartmoney magazine ... and the magazine has scheduled a phone 'interview' this afternoon !! Apparently, they are going to be running a story on this very same subject :)

 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: vulcanman
I sent off this same question to Smartmoney magazine ... and the magazine has scheduled a phone 'interview' this afternoon !! Apparently, they are going to be running a story on this very same subject :)

Cool. Let us know how it goes. Be sure to mention Anandtech! :D