OUCH! I just got my first flu shot...

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Thanks Amused... saved me the trouble or a bunch of corrections I was about to make. Only one correction to yours though: the flu shot completely immunizes against particular strains of the flu. But, they don't just pull strains out of a hat - some science does go into it and their predictions are usually pretty decent.

Yeah, good point.

Thanks for the clarification. :thumbsup:

 

[potato28]

I got one a few years ago, and Im never getting it again. Worst experience with the flu ever.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Gibsons
The amount of misinformation in this thread is... well, sickening.

Yep.

jlbenedict,

The flu shot cannot give you the flu. The virus in the shot is killed and incapable of reproducing.

Heisenberg,

If you were sick less than 24 hours you did not have the flu.

Many people confuse common colds for the flu. Trust me, if you have the flu, you'll know it. It's like a very bad cold, but far worse and it lasts a minimum of two weeks.

shortylickens,

My gawd, not a single thing in your post is factual.

The virus is dead. It cannot replicate.
You cannot get the flu from the shot.
October/November are the prime times to get the shot. It takes only two weeks to reach full immunity. The only time it is too late to get the shot is after you have been exposed.

Please, go read the CDC website on the flu. Your ignorance is simply astounding.

Various folks:

The shot only hurts if you tighten up. Completely relax and it will be painless with little to no after pain.

I'm a body builder and I get intense pain if I tighten up. And the pain lasts for days. If I totally relax, no pain at all.

sandorski,

The flu shot completely immunizes against getting the flu for the vast majority of people.

Majority, yes, but not all.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: LolaWiz
Even the CDC website said you will not get sick with it after...
well, i will let you guys know if i get sick from it or not.

i got it now because i usually get sick later in the winter... plus, when we go on our cruises, there are tons of people sick, and no matter how much you wash your hands, you get sick. i am hoping this prevents it.

we shall see though!

The only thing the flu shot prevents is the flu...and that's only if they get the strain right when they develop the vaccine. So there is a chance that even though you got the flu shot you may still get the flu. You will not get the flu from having had a flu shot though.

It will do absolutely nothing to prevent colds or other viruses.

This is not true. You can/will still get the Flu. The shot merely minimizes the effects and shortens the duration of the Flu.

Um, actually it is true and it does prevent the flu if they predict the strain correctly. The vaccine has to be developed months before flu season begins and there is quite a bit of science involved in predicting the exact strain. It's definitely worth the tiny pinch you feel from the shot to possibly avoid having the flu IMO. I've been getting them for years.

 

[Cattlegod]

I had mine done about a week and a half ago. My throat was really soar after 1-2 days and for about 1-2 days in length. Not sure if it was related (i.e. my body building up for a viral infection), but I'm fine now.

And no, you can't catch the flu from the flu shot.

My arm never got soar either, didn't flinch or flex when they stuck me and I never rubbed it in later that day. I didn't even get a bruise from it either.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Gibsons
The amount of misinformation in this thread is... well, sickening.

Yep.

jlbenedict,

The flu shot cannot give you the flu. The virus in the shot is killed and incapable of reproducing.

Heisenberg,

If you were sick less than 24 hours you did not have the flu.

Many people confuse common colds for the flu. Trust me, if you have the flu, you'll know it. It's like a very bad cold, but far worse and it lasts a minimum of two weeks.

shortylickens,

My gawd, not a single thing in your post is factual.

The virus is dead. It cannot replicate.
You cannot get the flu from the shot.
October/November are the prime times to get the shot. It takes only two weeks to reach full immunity. The only time it is too late to get the shot is after you have been exposed.

Please, go read the CDC website on the flu. Your ignorance is simply astounding.

Various folks:

The shot only hurts if you tighten up. Completely relax and it will be painless with little to no after pain.

I'm a body builder and I get intense pain if I tighten up. And the pain lasts for days. If I totally relax, no pain at all.

sandorski,

The flu shot completely immunizes against getting the flu for the vast majority of people.

Majority, yes, but not all.

From the CDC website:

How effective is the flu shot?
With the flu shot, when the "match" between vaccine and circulating strains is close, the vaccine prevents influenza in about 70%-90% of healthy persons younger than age 65 years

Those odds are good enough for me enduring a pinch in the arm for about a half a second once a year.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Amused
shortylickens,

My gawd, not a single thing in your post is factual.

The virus is dead. It cannot replicate.
You cannot get the flu from the shot.
October/November are the prime times to get the shot. It takes only two weeks to reach full immunity. The only time it is too late to get the shot is after you have been exposed.

Please, go read the CDC website on the flu. Your ignorance is simply astounding.

Then you must be a horribly stupid AND ignorant motherfocker.

VIRUSES ARE NOT ALIVE YOU IDIOT!
They dont fit the technical definition of life and cannot be alive or dead. Further evidence comes along in the form of the antibiotics vs. Viruses issue.
What the hell is wrong with you? Already your first statement ("not a single thing in your post is factual") is wrong.

Sweet jesus why should I even bother with you after that?
Oh, what the hell.

As far as you can NOT get the flu from it, EVER SINGLE YEAR I DID GET THE SHOT, I also go the flu immediately afterwards. I know you and CDC have a bunch of bulls1t explanations for it, thats because you're a fool and the CDC has no interest in telling the public the truth about most things. Panic would ensue if they did.
The best argument I hear from arrogant bitches like you is that I would have gotten sick anyway. Which does absolutely nothing to explain why I never get sick if I avoid the shot.
I also noiticed you had no response to my point about the 2000 different strains. But thats OK, if you actually had to think about something and write an intelligent response people might realize just how dumb you really are.

And I have read the CDC website. (This will make me sound arrogant but I suspect I may have read more than you. I'm just not dense enough to swallow everything the government or large corporations feed me. I worked for the government for 9 years. Good job but by and large the U.S. is completely full of crap. Its governing body even more so. And the government employees the prime source.)
The CDC site has a ton of info in direct conflict with what most of my doctors have told me over the years. I dont take much of anything they say as gospel and prefer to find out for myself.
If someone who has been practicing medicine tells me something and I find it apply correctly in real life, THATS who I believe. Not a website probably written by someone like you.

You probably think Wikpedia has all correct facts too, doncha buddy?

 

[Baked]

Superhuman immune system FTW. /flex

I heard once you get it, you'll need to get it every year or you'll look like sh!t if flu hits you. It's like your body has lost the ability to fight the flu.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Amused
shortylickens,

My gawd, not a single thing in your post is factual.

The virus is dead. It cannot replicate.
You cannot get the flu from the shot.
October/November are the prime times to get the shot. It takes only two weeks to reach full immunity. The only time it is too late to get the shot is after you have been exposed.

Please, go read the CDC website on the flu. Your ignorance is simply astounding.

Then you must be a horribly stupid AND ignorant motherfocker.

VIRUSES ARE NOT ALIVE YOU IDIOT!
They dont fit the technical definition of life and cannot be alive or dead. Further evidence comes along in the form of the antibiotics vs. Viruses issue.
What the hell is wrong with you? Already your first statement ("not a single thing in your post is factual") is wrong.

While viruses aren't technically "alive," vaccines come in two forms, commonly referred to as "live attenuated" and "killed" or inactivated. The vaccine you get in a shot is the killed kind, as opposed to the live attenuated kind. Viable would be a better term than live, but tradition holds.

Sweet jesus why should I even bother with you after that?
Oh, what the hell.

As far as you can NOT get the flu from it, EVER SINGLE YEAR I DID GET THE SHOT, I also go the flu immediately afterwards. I know you and CDC have a bunch of bulls1t explanations for it, thats because you're a fool and the CDC has no interest in telling the public the truth about most things. Panic would ensue if they did.

You might've gotten sick, but it's incredibly unlikely you got the flu from the flu shot. Vaccines frequently cause "flu like symptoms," but that isn't the flu.

There is an incubation period between initial infection and first symptoms, so if you got your symptoms immediately afterwards, it wasn't an infection from the shot. It was either side effects from the shot (very likely) or an infection you contracted a few days before.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Amused
shortylickens,

My gawd, not a single thing in your post is factual.

The virus is dead. It cannot replicate.
You cannot get the flu from the shot.
October/November are the prime times to get the shot. It takes only two weeks to reach full immunity. The only time it is too late to get the shot is after you have been exposed.

Please, go read the CDC website on the flu. Your ignorance is simply astounding.

Then you must be a horribly stupid AND ignorant motherfocker.

VIRUSES ARE NOT ALIVE YOU IDIOT!
They dont fit the technical definition of life and cannot be alive or dead. Further evidence comes along in the form of the antibiotics vs. Viruses issue.
What the hell is wrong with you? Already your first statement ("not a single thing in your post is factual") is wrong.

Sweet jesus why should I even bother with you after that?
Oh, what the hell.

As far as you can NOT get the flu from it, EVER SINGLE YEAR I DID GET THE SHOT, I also go the flu immediately afterwards. I know you and CDC have a bunch of bulls1t explanations for it, thats because you're a fool and the CDC has no interest in telling the public the truth about most things. Panic would ensue if they did.
The best argument I hear from arrogant bitches like you is that I would have gotten sick anyway. Which does absolutely nothing to explain why I never get sick if I avoid the shot.
I also noiticed you had no response to my point about the 2000 different strains. But thats OK, if you actually had to think about something and write an intelligent response people might realize just how dumb you really are.

And I have read the CDC website. (This will make me sound arrogant but I suspect I may have read more than you. I'm just not dense enough to swallow everything the government or large corporations feed me. I worked for the government for 9 years. Good job but by and large the U.S. is completely full of crap. Its governing body even more so. And the government employees the prime source.)
The CDC site has a ton of info in direct conflict with what most of my doctors have told me over the years. I dont take much of anything they say as gospel and prefer to find out for myself.
If someone who has been practicing medicine tells me something and I find it apply correctly in real life, THATS who I believe. Not a website probably written by someone like you.

You probably think Wikpedia has all correct facts too, doncha buddy?

If I say my car is dead, am I implying it was alive? No, I am saying it does not work. The same with the flu virus. It is inactivated and therefore incapable of reproducing. In effect, "dead." It is a physical impossibility to get the flu from the flu shot. Anyone who claims to have contracted the flu from the shot either was infected before the shot, infected in the two weeks after the shot before an immunity was aquired, or got a cold and thought it was the flu.

As for the rest of your post, it has a whole lot of insults and unsubstantiated claims and absolutely no proof. None.

As for the 2000 strains nonsense, yes, there are many thousands of known strains of influenza. However, in any given year there is between 1 and 5 prevalent strains that are spread. You speak of stupidity and ignorance, yet you make such an asinine statement.

Fine, the CDC and every reputable medical source is wrong and your tin foil hat society is right. Enjoy your life of ignorance.

The difference between you and me? You find someone to tell you what you want to hear. I find someone who has used valid science to find the facts.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Baked
Superhuman immune system FTW. /flex

I heard once you get it, you'll need to get it every year or you'll look like sh!t if flu hits you. It's like your body has lost the ability to fight the flu.

You heard wrong. The immune response to the flu shot is identical to that of the virus itself.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Baked
Superhuman immune system FTW. /flex

I heard once you get it, you'll need to get it every year or you'll look like sh!t if flu hits you. It's like your body has lost the ability to fight the flu.

You heard wrong. The immune response to the flu shot is identical to that of the virus itself.

mmm, not quite. There the issue of MHC class I expression and a TH1 response from the infection, vs. the primarily TH2 response generated by the vaccine.

But yes, Baked did indeed hear wrong. Vaccines don't inhibit your immune system, it's quite the opposite.

 

[dawza]

Published peer-reviewed studies do not support the claim that getting live attenuated influenza vaccines result in actual influenza. Slightly increased incidence of minor side-effects in some cases, perhaps, but certainly not full-blown flu due directly to the vaccine.

Here are three reviews from excellent, reliable, reviewed sources:


http://tinyurl.com/y4ddgp (JAMA)


http://tinyurl.com/y7ghjc (NEJM)


http://tinyurl.com/y4hysl (Vaccine)


Note that the three reviews look at all age ranges (very young to elderly). Plenty more on PubMed, for those who care to search.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dawza
Published peer-reviewed studies do not support the claim that getting live attenuated influenza vaccines result in actual influenza. Slightly increased incidence of minor side-effects in some cases, perhaps, but certainly not full-blown flu due directly to the vaccine.

Here are three reviews from excellent, reliable, reviewed sources:


http://tinyurl.com/y4ddgp (JAMA)


http://tinyurl.com/y7ghjc (NEJM)


http://tinyurl.com/y4hysl (Vaccine)


Note that the three reviews look at all age ranges (very young to elderly). Plenty more on PubMed, for those who care to search.

And the shots use inactivated "dead" virus. The live virus is used in the nasal version.

 

[Molondo]

i found that once i had my flu shot i have been sick more often than before i had the shot. It didn't do didly squat for me.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Molondo
i found that once i had my flu shot i have been sick more often than before i had the shot. It didn't do didly squat for me.

The flu shot will only protect against the flu. It will not stop colds or other infections. Nor does it increase your chance at getting colds or other infections.

Your increase in colds is more than likely a change in lifestyle and/or more exposure to them.

 

[Muse]

You think a flu shot hurts? You are a wuss.

It's not a guarantee, but your chances of getting a serious case of the flu (for the strains included in the shot) are much reduced. Of course, they've determined this with loads of testing over the years. I get a flu shot every year.

 

[jlbenedict]

I remember the Penacillian (sorry... not a spelling major) back in basic training in '94

Spring loaded, had to roll it in my hand to warm it up.. nurse shot my right cheek with it, and it felt like a lump on the right cheek for a couple of days

 

[JS80]

lol my coworker got a shot last year and was out for 2 weeks from it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: JS80
lol my coworker got a shot last year and was out for 2 weeks from it.

Allergic reaction?

 

[spacelord]

I get one every year at work. My health insurance covers it 100%. Never had the flu.

 

[Xyo II]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Amused
shortylickens,

My gawd, not a single thing in your post is factual.

The virus is dead. It cannot replicate.
You cannot get the flu from the shot.
October/November are the prime times to get the shot. It takes only two weeks to reach full immunity. The only time it is too late to get the shot is after you have been exposed.

Please, go read the CDC website on the flu. Your ignorance is simply astounding.

Then you must be a horribly stupid AND ignorant motherfocker.

VIRUSES ARE NOT ALIVE YOU IDIOT!
They dont fit the technical definition of life and cannot be alive or dead. Further evidence comes along in the form of the antibiotics vs. Viruses issue.
What the hell is wrong with you? Already your first statement ("not a single thing in your post is factual") is wrong.

Sweet jesus why should I even bother with you after that?
Oh, what the hell.

As far as you can NOT get the flu from it, EVER SINGLE YEAR I DID GET THE SHOT, I also go the flu immediately afterwards. I know you and CDC have a bunch of bulls1t explanations for it, thats because you're a fool and the CDC has no interest in telling the public the truth about most things. Panic would ensue if they did.
The best argument I hear from arrogant bitches like you is that I would have gotten sick anyway. Which does absolutely nothing to explain why I never get sick if I avoid the shot.
I also noiticed you had no response to my point about the 2000 different strains. But thats OK, if you actually had to think about something and write an intelligent response people might realize just how dumb you really are.

And I have read the CDC website. (This will make me sound arrogant but I suspect I may have read more than you. I'm just not dense enough to swallow everything the government or large corporations feed me. I worked for the government for 9 years. Good job but by and large the U.S. is completely full of crap. Its governing body even more so. And the government employees the prime source.)
The CDC site has a ton of info in direct conflict with what most of my doctors have told me over the years. I dont take much of anything they say as gospel and prefer to find out for myself.
If someone who has been practicing medicine tells me something and I find it apply correctly in real life, THATS who I believe. Not a website probably written by someone like you.

You probably think Wikpedia has all correct facts too, doncha buddy?

Those bolded parts can probably explain why you are being such an ass.
By "dead" he means "inactive". The viruses are damaged to the point that they rarely pose a threat to the body.

 

[Corporate Thug]

just got mine a few hours ago and my harm is killing me!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
just got mine a few hours ago and my harm is killing me!

I hate it when my harm hurts!

 

[eits]

flu shots don't really work... it's more of a placebo effect thing, in my opinion. the number of people who've been saved by getting a flu shot last year was nil... no one benefited from receiving a flu shot.

you're no more likely to NOT get the flu by getting a flu shot than you are drinking a glass of water everyday.