Ouch! Car and driver rips the Audi TT a new one.

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: NFS4
WAIT A SEC!!!!!!

They test the BASE Audi TT with the BASE 180HP instead of the TURBO 225HP version with AWD and they have the NERVE to call it slow and porky???

I call foul on this one!!!:|

AFAIK it was ALREADY the most expensive of the lot!

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: NFS4
WAIT A SEC!!!!!!

They test the BASE Audi TT with the BASE 180HP instead of the TURBO 225HP version with AWD and they have the NERVE to call it slow and porky???

I call foul on this one!!!:|

AFAIK it was ALREADY the most expensive of the lot!

The '03 model only comes with the 225HP engine so I don't WTF C&D was testing. Whatever it is, it's all bogus to me.

A 2003 Audi TT Quattro Coupe costs $36,860

 

[StageLeft]

Oh well the ford and nissan would still own it!!

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: NFS4
WAIT A SEC!!!!!!

They test the BASE Audi TT with the BASE 180HP instead of the TURBO 225HP version with AWD and they have the NERVE to call it slow and porky???

I call foul on this one!!!:|

The '03 model ONLY comes with the 225HP engine anyway. I say C&D f*&ked up big time with this one.

but 225 is nothing compared with the competitions numbers so not a big difference

isnt the tt's curved shape more of a wing then say a wedge?

i like the Z so no complaints here

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: NFS4
WAIT A SEC!!!!!!

They test the BASE Audi TT with the BASE 180HP instead of the TURBO 225HP version with AWD and they have the NERVE to call it slow and porky???

I call foul on this one!!!:|

The '03 model ONLY comes with the 225HP engine anyway. I say C&D f*&ked up big time with this one.

but 225 is nothing compared with the competitions numbers so not a big difference

isnt the tt's curved shape more of a wing then say a wedge?

i like the Z so no complaints here

What are you talking about? The 225HP Audi TT Quattro has a SERIOUS amount of low-end torque and would no doubt out-gun the S2000 in capable hands. HP is not everything...you have to drive the S2000 like you stole it to actually get any "go" out of it. The thing only has a pitfil 153 lb-ft of torque. Did you even read the article in regards to the S2000??

Our own 0-to-60 time of 6.3 seconds was set with a hole shot just south of the redline on a car with only 369 miles on the odo, but that's behavior reserved for people who can do clutch changes on their lunch hour. Regular Joes can expect 60 mph to arrive closer to the 7.6 seconds of the S2000's 5-to-60-mph time, the second-slowest rolling start ahead of the Audi.

I guess not

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: NFS4
WAIT A SEC!!!!!!

They test the BASE Audi TT with the BASE 180HP instead of the TURBO 225HP version with AWD and they have the NERVE to call it slow and porky???

I call foul on this one!!!:|

The '03 model ONLY comes with the 225HP engine anyway. I say C&D f*&ked up big time with this one.

but 225 is nothing compared with the competitions numbers so not a big difference

isnt the tt's curved shape more of a wing then say a wedge?

i like the Z so no complaints here

What are you talking about? The 225HP Audi TT Quattro has a SERIOUS amount of low-end torque and would no doubt out-gun the S2000 in capable hands. HP is not everything...you have to drive the S2000 like you stole it to actually get any "go" out of it. The thing only has a pitfil 153 lb-ft of torque. Did you even read the article in regards to the S2000??

Our own 0-to-60 time of 6.3 seconds was set with a hole shot just south of the redline on a car with only 369 miles on the odo, but that's behavior reserved for people who can do clutch changes on their lunch hour. Regular Joes can expect 60 mph to arrive closer to the 7.6 seconds of the S2000's 5-to-60-mph time, the second-slowest rolling start ahead of the Audi.

I guess not

as skoorb said, price considerations 180hp and still the most expensive? not much excuse left

 

[thomsbrain]

i'll take one of each, please.

 

[0roo0roo]

seems the online version of the article is shortened?


no stats or anything, the one in the magazine has all the stats/test results

 

[bolido2000]

My question is why they didn't include the Porsche Boxster since the Z was designed against that car. The TT is just for looks...no one looking for a sports car is going to consider it. I guess they didn't test the 225HP version because it would be simply too expesive. They usually add optional packages so it doesn't matter how low the base car is.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: bolido2000
My question is why they didn't include the Porsche Boxster since the Z was designed against that car. The TT is just for looks...no one looking for a sports car is going to consider it. I guess they didn't test the 225HP version because it would be simply too expesive. They usually add optional packages so it doesn't matter how low the base car is.

1) The base Boxster has a base price of around $41,000.

2) There is no excuse for this. All of the other models tested were '03's. The TT they tested looks to have been a '02 model, because all '03 model TT's come with the 225HP engine. And the base price is $33,000 for the '03 TT with a 225HP engine.

 

[arcain]

Originally posted by: NFS4
2) There is no excuse for this. All of the other models tested were '03's. The TT they tested looks to have been a '02 model, because all '03 model TT's come with the 225HP engine. And the base price is $33,000 for the '03 TT with a 225HP engine.

That is incorrect. The 180 HP is still the base model, but now comes with an automatic/tiptronic with no option for a manual.

For 2003, a new automatic transmission on 180 hp models (available Winter 2002-2003). Or a six-speed manual on 225 hp cars. Whether a versatile six-speed Tiptronic® automatic with Sport mode or a short-throw manual, you don't merely engage gears in these cars; you become engaged.

http://www.audi-usa.com/family_home/0,,familyId-4,00.html

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: arcain

Originally posted by: NFS4
2) There is no excuse for this. All of the other models tested were '03's. The TT they tested looks to have been a '02 model, because all '03 model TT's come with the 225HP engine. And the base price is $33,000 for the '03 TT with a 225HP engine.

That is incorrect. The 180 HP is still the base model, but now comes with an automatic/tiptronic with no option for a manual.

For 2003, a new automatic transmission on 180 hp models (available Winter 2002-2003). Or a six-speed manual on 225 hp cars. Whether a versatile six-speed Tiptronic® automatic with Sport mode or a short-throw manual, you don't merely engage gears in these cars; you become engaged.

http://www.audi-usa.com/family_home/0,,familyId-4,00.html

I guess they need to change their info then:

http://autos.msn.com/vip/newoverview.aspx?make=Audi&model=TT&src=LeftNav&pos=Find

http://autos.msn.com/vip/engines.aspx?modelid=10662&src=vip

 

[BigSmooth]

Heck, I'm wondering why the used a Touring 350Z instead of the Track model. According to C&D's own numbers, the Track Z is .4 second faster to 60 than the heavier Touring trim. They even mention that the Brembo brakes on the Track model would have been beneficial in this test, but that the Track model is more expensive. However, the Track is still way under the apparent threshold of $40K, so...

Same for the Mustang... the MUCH faster Cobra is well under $40K, but they went with the Mach 1. Why set a price threshold and then basically ignore it?

Plus they harp on the S2000's cabin noise... wtf do they expect? It's a convertible, the others aren't. Sure, the S2000 is inherently loud, but you can't just slap a hardtop on it and start comparing it to coupes.

All in all a rather motley crew for a comparo IMO. If you're doing a performance-based test, at least get the best-performing trim of each vehicle you're testing.

 

[vi edit]

Maybe it's just me, but I HIGHLY doubt anybody in the market for a TT is going to cross shop with a Mustang of any trim level.

Like I said...it could just be me.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

I think this comparision was based in terms of price. If Audi had a TT that had 225hp in the price range of the other cars then it would be in the comparision. However, Audi doesn't so its their problem not the magazines.

 

[Dudd]

I believe it was 35k and under, not 40. Anyways, what I want to know is how much leeway the magazines get when they request a car from the manufacturers? If they let Ford know that they want to do a comparison of 35k and under sports cars and Ford sends them a Mach I instead of an SVT Cobra, do they ever send it back and say no, we want a different car?

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Oh, when Skoorb posts the link it's big news, but when I do no one cares :| (Did it 2 days ago)

 

[ultimatebob]

According to Audi's site, the 2003 TT only comes two ways. You can get the car with a 180hp 1.8T engine matched to a 6 speed Tiptronic automatic, OR you can get it with a 225hp engine matched to a 6 speed manual and Quattro AWD .

The 225hp model starts at $36,200, and ends up costing $39,000 once you add the premium package and a nice stereo.