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OT: SETI is good, but lets save energy while we're at it

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LMAO at you guys 😀

Btw another way to save energy is to stop running around in big V8's 😉😛

Yes I run a 2.0 ltr 4cyl DOHC Sierra 😛 (not Cossie🙁)

Jerboy
I only ran my primary computer when I'm using, but now I'm running three computers 24/7 just for TeAm score.

hehe ,I figured you'd get hooked quick if you did start😉 ,good to see though that you are still coming out with good energy saving ideas🙂
I'm pestering my work to get a plug timer for the electric room heater
 
A great place I found to buy energy efficient light bulbs is Sam's Club. They sell them individually and in packagages of two or more. One package was a package of 4 and they threw in a Plug Timer as well.
 
Just added 4 more of the 20 Watt Fluorescents's (100 Watt equivalent) to the house...replace 3 - 75 Watters and one 100 watter for a savings of 240 Watts. A great place to buy the long lasting (5+ year) fourescents is Big Lots...just $4.99 each. Wal-Mart has GE brand for $4.92 each but they are only 3,000 hour bulbs vs 6000 to 8000 for the Big Lots type! 🙂

7 bulbs replaced now 🙂

A few more to go! 🙂
 
Engineer, that's <fluorescent>. 🙂

I have light and mouvement sensors in the house and garage 😎

Cut down 30%for the last year!. 🙂
 
Nah Paf077,

Engineer is right, they are flour bulbs. They are the latest invention by The Federation. Should even last longer than the fluor thingies. 😀
 
Don't know if it's only in my locale, but K-mart here has compact fluorescent bulbs for $3.94 apiece. Not sure what the wattage is, but it's still a good price.
 


<< Or, if you're going to be sitting at a traffic light or a fast-food drive-thru for a min. or more, turn off the engine (provided you're sure your car will start again! 😀 ).

Etc., etc., etc.
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Actually it takes more gas to start you car back up then it does to idle for a while. just a little tip a friend gave me.
 
Nice saving Engineer 🙂

Btw does anyone have any info on the idea that flourescent lights use a lot of power on start up & thus its better to leave them on for a while rather than turn them on & off constantly?

Mofunk
Very true ,but what is the cut off point?
 


<< Nice saving Engineer 🙂

Btw does anyone have any info on the idea that flourescent lights use a lot of power on start up & thus its better to leave them on for a while rather than turn them on & off constantly?

Mofunk
Very true ,but what is the cut off point?
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As far as the fluorescent lights startup pull, I would imagine it's slightly more than the standard light bulb inrush current....but not enough to notice on your bill. Your meter, unless a digital on, couldn't increase enough to even register the inrush of either, unless the inrush lasted for several seconds, which isn't the case for either bulb...the fluorescent bulbs are almost instant on.

As for turning off the car...I've got a book called "More Miles Per Gallon" and it suggests that the car would need to idle for an average of 50 seconds or more...so, unless you're going to be there for some time (traffic jam, etc), then it's probably not worth it....no to mention the wear and tear of starting your engine over and over again...

🙂
 
re lights ,any cold hard facts? any links? 🙂

re car ,agreed ,who wants to shorten the life of their starter,battery,alternator & of course the engine?😉
 


<< re lights ,any cold hard facts? any links? 🙂

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Well, being an Electrical Engineer helps 😉

The mechanical side of the meter isn't fast enough to compensate for the inrush current of the bulbs...as the meter would contain an inductive element (similar to a motor - makes the meter spin!) that would be resistive to change in currents....especially quick ones. Now a 250 Horsepower motor starting up is another story! :Q😉
 
re lights ,what happens if you do have a digital meter? how much power does startup take on a modern strip flourescent light? (what would the equivalent power equate to in running time?)

Btw I'm a mechanic so I know something about electrics😉 ,
I was hoping I could see some figures to resolve an argument at work😉
 


<< Nice saving Engineer 🙂

Btw does anyone have any info on the idea that flourescent lights use a lot of power on start up & thus its better to leave them on for a while rather than turn them on & off constantly?

Mofunk
Very true ,but what is the cut off point?
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Cut off point for fluorescent is few hours. You'll save some energy by turning off alot, but you'll waste it by shortening the life of the bulb. Fluorescent lights hates being turned on and off frequently.



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As far as the fluorescent lights startup pull, I would imagine it's slightly more than the standard light bulb inrush current....but not enough to notice on your bill. Your meter, unless a digital on, couldn't increase enough to even register the inrush of either, unless the inrush lasted for several seconds, which isn't the case for either bulb...the fluorescent bulbs are almost instant on.
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Not so. Fluorescent lights don't draw as much peak current as lightbulbs. My 500W halogen light can theoretically draw up to 9761watts. The cold filament resistance is 2.3ohms and since line voltage can fluctuate by 5% or so we'd call the line voltage 126V. When the light bulb is plugged in at the voltage peak, the voltage is 178.19V(126x sqrt2). Realistically line voltage would sag slightly and there is inductance in everything so I don't think it would go that high. I don't think inrush current makes noticeable difference in power bills. The most annoying thing about inrush current is the line voltage sag it causes which in turn cause lights to flicker. A digital meters are engineered to be more accurate and are only used on commercial and industrial distribution where power factor must also be calculated in addition to being precise because fewer % could mean more $$$ when you're dealing with larger quantity of electricity. The industrial customers gets charged for having poor power factor, we don't.. Those CFL's tends to have low PF(0.5 to 0.6) so it draws lots of VA while not drawing so much watts. Engineer, you and I have lots of arguing and debating to do now that I know you're an electical engineer 😀




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As for turning off the car...I've got a book called "More Miles Per Gallon" and it suggests that the car would need to idle for an average of 50 seconds or more...so, unless you're going to be there for some time (traffic jam, etc), then it's probably not worth it....no to mention the wear and tear of starting your engine over and over again...

🙂
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Have you ever thought it would be nice if cars were equipped with an electric motor with 1 or 2 hp output for creeping in stop and go traffic?
 
<<Actually it takes more gas to start you car back up then it does to idle for a while. just a little tip a friend gave me.>>

only if the engine cools down, by 100deg F, and not as bad with fuel injection, because the the ECU checks the ECT (engine coolant temp) sensor and adjust fuel flow accordinly .
 
The good ole search engine finds this....🙂

Poking around a few other sites...

Typical Inrush current and "Level Out" time for bulbs:

Standard bulb: Inrush typical of a standard bulb is typically 10 to 20 times standard normal current and typically lasts LESS than .1 second.

Fluorescent: Depending on Ballast (a big capacitor - power sucker! :Q), the INRUSH could be up to 1,000 times operating current, but is typically less than 30 times operating current, but (big BUT :Q here)...it could last up to 1 second due to capactitor charging time 🙂

The top link gives a bunch of nice info though 🙂
 




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Fluorescent: Depending on Ballast (a big capacitor - power sucker! :Q), the INRUSH could be up to 1,000 times operating current, but is typically less than 30 times operating current, but (big BUT :Q here)...it could last up to 1 second due to capactitor charging time 🙂

The top link gives a bunch of nice info though 🙂
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Engineer, I'm gonna have to disagree.

When you turn on a monitor, or a plug in a computer PSU, I'm sure you've noticed a nearby lights flicker. When was the last time you saw lights dimming when you turn on fluorescent light? Probably never. I checked this out with an oscilloscope using a shunt and fluorescent lamps don't draw much inrush. Regular magnetic ballast can't draw much rush since there is an inductor in series limiting that from happening. Are you convinced now?
 


<< Regular magnetic ballast can't draw much rush since there is an inductor in series limiting that from happening. Are you convinced now? >>



Now that I may buy! 😉

Oh...and another thing...

"Damn smart kids! :Q"
 
Jerboy
Have you ever thought it would be nice if cars were equipped with an electric motor with 1 or 2 hp output for creeping in stop and go traffic?

The fuel saved by not running your engine in start stop traffic would be wasted by hauling around more batteries & an additional electric motor.Having said that I believe that Citroen have a system where the starter motor can also act as 'creep' motor for start stop traffic.Still adds to cost though & you still need more battery capacity.This system would be more beneficial for town cars

paf077
There's still additional wear & tear on the starter,alternator & battery though.
Also the cat will drop off optimal temperature more quickly than the engine ,thus causing a little more pollution.I don't know how long though!😉😱

Engineer
Thanks for the interesting link 🙂 ,looks like I've lost the arguement!😱 ........mostly😉
 
Regardless of arguments or not...we can all agree that INRUSH is pretty much ignored on the meter and that fluorescent bulbs are cheaper to run than regular bulbs...sometimes by a huge amount 🙂

Let's save energy....throw that old junky monitor in the trash for a nice, new, trendy LCD 😀
 
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