OT: Georgia in the media again... Glad I don't live there.

[LANMAN]

Conference Blocked By Court Order

(Just FYI)

--LANMAN

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LANMAN
Conference Blocked By Court Order

(Just FYI)

--LANMAN

This was the Conference I spoke at.

This is the first time the Government has shifted from going after the message makers to the going after the Confernece Operator. If this is successful it would be the end of all Technology based Conferences at least in the United States.

 

[MoFunk]

What they heck is the problem with Georgia? Do they think that if no one talks about this stuff, it'll all just go away? Bunch of sucks that run that place!

 

[ProviaFan]

If that's the same thing that Dave linked to in his thread, then I find it quite ironic that they claim to invoke the DMCA as a basis for their demands, when the DMCA (AFAIK, but IANAL) specifically has a clause that states that reverse engineering for the purpose of compatibility is allowed.

Edit: Do not think that I am approving of the DMCA; that couldn't be farther from the truth. Rather, I think the DMCA takes second place for the Official Piece of Sh!t Legislation award; the CBDTPA gets first, IMHO. :|

 

[RaySun2Be]

Great. Don't fix the gaping security holes in your software, just sue those who make the security holes public. Maybe if no one talks about it, the problem doesn't exist.

If I was a user of Blackboard's software, I certainly would want to know if there were any major security issues. :|

What they heck is the problem with Georgia?

Their poorly written and vague anti-hacking laws suck, which allows this kind of crap. :|

 

[dmcowen674]

I was asked and will be attending the hearings that the Convention Operator and the Speakers that were stopped from speaking are charged for violateing Georgia's Computer Act just for knowing knowledge and was going to speak about it. I don't know what exactly I could do for them but surviving such a threat that I did may give them encouragement against a Government that wants to put people away for 120 years for containing knowledge.

Edit: Also there is thread in OFF Topic now about how a New York Website was shut down for simply posting knowledge that has been around since before the PC was born about bar codes. Re-code.com shut down under pressure by Wal Mart, Kelloggs and Lawyers all spewing DMCA and State Super DMCA langauge.

Has anyone heard any consideration for a Politics Forum especially now that the War is winding down??? Freedom at home online is getting under more and more scrutiny, chilling and ever shrinking information as the Government continues to chip away at words and speech especially online.

 

[ProviaFan]

Dave, I see our favorite pro-big-business-and-government troll, tcsenter, has already jumped on the chance to spew his false rhetoric again. If it weren't for the problem that I've got lots of stuff that I need to do today, I'd have a nice political debate with him (he'd loose, like he did when we all debated the pros and cons of the CBDTPA a long time ago, but he'd never admit it).

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Hmm - guess I missed the discussion in OT - anyone got a link to the thread?

CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Hmm - guess I missed the discussion in OT - anyone got a link to the thread?

CkG

Actually I posted it in the Networking Forum since the new State Super DMCA Laws would impact anything relating to Networks and the Internet and because in Off Topic the thread would be, How did that Movie Title go? "Gone in 30 seconds". That's one of many reasons I have been mentioning a Politics Forum after the War.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: jliechty
Dave, I see our favorite pro-big-business-and-government troll, tcsenter, has already jumped on the chance to spew his false rhetoric again. If it weren't for the problem that I've got lots of stuff that I need to do today, I'd have a nice political debate with him (he'd loose, like he did when we all debated the pros and cons of the CBDTPA a long time ago, but he'd never admit it).

I see what you mean. I posted about the New York website that shut down in response to getting Legal Letters from Wal Mart, Kelloggs and other Entities. It is called a "Chilling Effect" and it is working thanks to people like Tcsenter.


04/18/2003 7:23 AM (NEW!)

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Let's see how many people come in here and side with the Government that simply speaking or publishing information is illegal.
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Once again, dmcowen674 just can't seem to get it right. Should we be surprised? Nah....

First, 'the gubmint' isn't at issue in this dispute. You know that entity, the gubmint? Universally referred to by quacks and kooks and convicted computer tamperers alike as "them" or "they", as though the entire federal government is run from some 'Star Chamber' by a couple rich people. What is that I hear, could it be a black helicopter landing in my back yard? Its the UN coming for my guns - AAAHHYYYEEEE!

Second, 'illegality', whether professed by the Government, or the UN, or the Tri-Lateral Council, is also not at issue here.

Walmart sent a letter to the hosting company complaining of the site's content, but did not threaten any kind of legal action, as the article plainly states, which Walmart has a right to do. Unless we are to believe that dmcowen674 is that kind of 'first amendment defender' who believes the first amendment only applies to certain people (him and people he agrees with but not to anyone else)?

The website owners chose to bail, fearing they might be sued...and lose. It wouldn't be the first time publishers of information instructing others how to commit illegal acts has been successfully held accountable in a civil court when that information is misused or abused. Just ask Paladin Press
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What is he saying I didn't get right?

Wal Mart sent the letter directly to the Website's Host without a legal review process by all involved parties and representation. That means the Website lost it's ability to post to the Internet. They didn't need legal action because they went straight for the jugular. I wouldn't call that bailing.

He says Wal Mart has the right to do that because they feel like it and the Web Host has to follow Wal Mart's orders. It's due process that has gone out the window. Wal Mart (or any other large Corporate Company that nows controls the U.S.) or the Government are able to do whatever they feel like to anyone at anytime especially with anything related to the Internet, Computers or Technology and that is perfectly fine with him.

Absolutely, I don't think that is right and it is because of what I went through that I have awakened to this chiseling away of the Amendments.

 

[Wiz]

geez, I had this huge inflammatory post all ready to submit when the forums went offline - lost it now

summarizing:

Freedom of speech in the US is a right of individual citizens, not corporations. Their speech is very well regulated.
Screw the lawyers, they will be the first ones up against the wall when the next revolution comes.
Big corps open themselves up to cyberwarfare when they oppress the little guy, it will cost them much more in the end.
Dasm gubmit is all made up of mostly lawyers, so the gubmit types will also be up against the wall in the revolution.

all IMHO of course, don't sue me - I got nothin you would be interested in (or at least I would torch it before you could get at it) 😉

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Wiz
geez, I had this huge inflammatory post all ready to submit when the forums went offline - lost it now

summarizing:

Freedom of speech in the US is a right of individual citizens, not corporations. Their speech is very well regulated.
Screw the lawyers, they will be the first ones up against the wall when the next revolution comes.
Big corps open themselves up to cyberwarfare when they oppress the little guy, it will cost them much more in the end.
Dasm gubmit is all made up of mostly lawyers, so the gubmit types will also be up against the wall in the revolution.

all IMHO of course, don't sue me - I got nothin you would be interested in (or at least I would torch it before you could get at it) 😉

Funny you posted that Wiz. The Supreme Court is considering a ruling as we write about Corporations having the same right Free Speech rights as individuals. Nike put out some deceptive Press Releases a few years back and got away with it. The Supreme Court is about to make that a permanent thing for Corporations. If an individual did that they would be sued for Defamation and Slander.

This sentiment is growing. I have said for a log time now we are heading towards a Boston PC Party.
It takes a lot to push people over the edge to be willing to die for what they believe is their inalienable rights being violated.