OSX86 Cracked!

[smileyscout]

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[dnuggett]

This is not big news.... it's old hat. And on top of that the link from osnews link doesn't work cause the site is shut down. Maybe those elite hackers could affors some bandwidth eh?

 

[omissible]

*Yawn* Call me a year from now when the release version comes out and they can crack that.

 

[Nothinman]

*Yawn* Call me a year from now when the release version comes out and they can crack that.

Why? It's still OS X, you'll still be limited to the same set of Apple and unix applications. You can get the same, or better, experience by just installing Linux and setting your window manager to look like OS X.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

*Yawn* Call me a year from now when the release version comes out and they can crack that.

Why? It's still OS X, you'll still be limited to the same set of Apple and unix applications. You can get the same, or better, experience by just installing Linux and setting your window manager to look like OS X.

But it's OS X, so your mouse will work normally, the interface will look nice and pretty, the applications on it will be top-notch consumer level applications (iTunes, iMovie, iDVD, GarageBand, etc.), things couldn't be easier to install, the command line is strictly optional, and it's, overall, a very easy and rewarding experience.

 

[stash]

I can't really speak for the rest of the applications, but I almost spit my soda on my keyboard when you read that iTunes is a top-notch consumer level application. Maybe the Mac version is better.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: STaSh
I can't really speak for the rest of the applications, but I almost spit my soda on my keyboard when you read that iTunes is a top-notch consumer level application. Maybe the Mac version is better.

Or maybe you're just a _little_ biased, working for Microsoft. C'mon - it's the best MP3 management and use program out there in many people's opinions... it's easy to use, makes buying iTunes at the ITMS a breeze - couldn't be easier. WMP10 and MMJB have a long way to go.

 

[stash]

I'm biased? I have an iPod and I love it. And if you do some searching in this forum and others you will find plenty of people that don't think it the best MP3 maangement program at all.

For instance, in verion 4.8, they changed the program such that a non-admin could no longer play a freaking CD. You insert the CD, fire up iTunes and nothing happens. Kinda sh1tty if you want to rip a CD to your library.

I ended up having to make a group policy change to the security settings of the one user of the program here at work so that it would still work. He happens to be the ultimate VIP, so that was less than ideal. Luckily, they fixed it in version 4.9.

The other nice problem that many people have run into is when they have an iPod full of their music, and a computer with no music on it. Guess what happens when you sync the first time? Whoops, there goes your music. Brilliant.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: STaSh
I'm biased? I have an iPod and I love it. And if you do some searching in this forum and others you will find plenty of people that don't think it the best MP3 maangement program at all.

For instance, in verion 4.8, they changed the program such that a non-admin could no longer play a freaking CD. You insert the CD, fire up iTunes and nothing happens. Kinda sh1tty if you want to rip a CD to your library.

I ended up having to make a group policy change to the security settings of the one user of the program here at work so that it would still work. He happens to be the ultimate VIP, so that was less than ideal. Luckily, they fixed it in version 4.9.

The other nice problem that many people have run into is when they have an iPod full of their music, and a computer with no music on it. Guess what happens when you sync the first time? Whoops, there goes your music. Brilliant.

Learned that the hard way as well. Fvcking pissed me off!

 

[User1001]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: STaSh
I'm biased? I have an iPod and I love it. And if you do some searching in this forum and others you will find plenty of people that don't think it the best MP3 maangement program at all.

For instance, in verion 4.8, they changed the program such that a non-admin could no longer play a freaking CD. You insert the CD, fire up iTunes and nothing happens. Kinda sh1tty if you want to rip a CD to your library.

I ended up having to make a group policy change to the security settings of the one user of the program here at work so that it would still work. He happens to be the ultimate VIP, so that was less than ideal. Luckily, they fixed it in version 4.9.

The other nice problem that many people have run into is when they have an iPod full of their music, and a computer with no music on it. Guess what happens when you sync the first time? Whoops, there goes your music. Brilliant.

Learned that the hard way as well. Fvcking pissed me off!

Thats why itunes is in no way linked to my music library

 

[Nothinman]

But it's OS X, so your mouse will work normally, the interface will look nice and pretty, the applications on it will be top-notch consumer level applications (iTunes, iMovie, iDVD, GarageBand, etc.), things couldn't be easier to install, the command line is strictly optional, and it's, overall, a very easy and rewarding experience.

All of my mice work fine and the UI is setup just the way I want it. And I'm not concerned about those "top-notch" applications, my past experiences with commercial software has severely jaded my views. Synaptic and apt-get make installing software almost as easy and IMO there's more QA done on the packages. OS X isn't bad by any means, but IMO it's way too ugly, slow and inflexible for my liking.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: STaSh
I'm biased? I have an iPod and I love it. And if you do some searching in this forum and others you will find plenty of people that don't think it the best MP3 maangement program at all.

For instance, in verion 4.8, they changed the program such that a non-admin could no longer play a freaking CD. You insert the CD, fire up iTunes and nothing happens. Kinda sh1tty if you want to rip a CD to your library.

I ended up having to make a group policy change to the security settings of the one user of the program here at work so that it would still work. He happens to be the ultimate VIP, so that was less than ideal. Luckily, they fixed it in version 4.9.

The other nice problem that many people have run into is when they have an iPod full of their music, and a computer with no music on it. Guess what happens when you sync the first time? Whoops, there goes your music. Brilliant.

Piracy is an issue. Disagree or agree, there are plenty of programs to help you get around that.

Have you heard what happens when you take a copy of XP that you installed on one computer and try to install it on another?

I'll agree iTunes handling of that is too draconian. To me, though, it's not a reason not to use it or like it.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

But it's OS X, so your mouse will work normally, the interface will look nice and pretty, the applications on it will be top-notch consumer level applications (iTunes, iMovie, iDVD, GarageBand, etc.), things couldn't be easier to install, the command line is strictly optional, and it's, overall, a very easy and rewarding experience.

All of my mice work fine and the UI is setup just the way I want it. And I'm not concerned about those "top-notch" applications, my past experiences with commercial software has severely jaded my views. Synaptic and apt-get make installing software almost as easy and IMO there's more QA done on the packages. OS X isn't bad by any means, but IMO it's way too ugly, slow and inflexible for my liking.

Apt-Get vs. drag it to the applications folder, and when you don't want it anymore, drag to the trash. People wonder why Linux is still, even today, considered user-unfriendly.... it's made strides, but isn't there yet.

 

[nweaver]

wow, if you think apt-get is hard/unfriendly, then you must be a mac worshiper...someone who doesn't even plug their keyboard in, they just use their one button mouse to rule their lamp/computer

 

[Nothinman]

Apt-Get vs. drag it to the applications folder, and when you don't want it anymore, drag to the trash. People wonder why Linux is still, even today, considered user-unfriendly.... it's made strides, but isn't there yet.

Yea, but you still have to go find the application on the web somewhere. There are over 17,000 packages available in Debian and all of them are completely free and are guaranteed to not contain spyware or anything.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Apt-Get vs. drag it to the applications folder, and when you don't want it anymore, drag to the trash. People wonder why Linux is still, even today, considered user-unfriendly.... it's made strides, but isn't there yet.

Yea, but you still have to go find the application on the web somewhere. There are over 17,000 packages available in Debian and all of them are completely free and are guaranteed to not contain spyware or anything.

OS X has portage from FreeBSD, which is a very similar service. It's closer to gentoo's emerge, but aside from the compiling part...

 

[Nothinman]

And no one would think that waiting for something to compile is inconvenient? Someone ported apt to OS X as well, but running unix apps in general is a PITA because you have to install the X server seperately since Apple decided not to make their UI do X stuff.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: nweaver
wow, if you think apt-get is hard/unfriendly, then you must be a mac worshiper...someone who doesn't even plug their keyboard in, they just use their one button mouse to rule their lamp/computer

That's funny. You really think it's typical that users will want to use "apt-get" (that's a friendly one!) to install an app? C'mon. Typical users have problems figuring out how to turn a proxy server on or off.

As for =me= personally, why don't you take a look at some of the posts I've got on here (and the tool, MPS Reports, that I suggest folks download when I help them) for the kind of user *I* am personally.

I'm an advocate of using what works. If you prefer doing typing to get an application installed, more power to you. Most people don't. Me, I'd rather package it into an .MSI and use group policy to push it out to everyone (or to my personal LAN) during the PC build process, but that's just me.

I guess that must mean I don't need a mouse OR a keyboard, right?

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
And no one would think that waiting for something to compile is inconvenient? Someone ported apt to OS X as well, but running unix apps in general is a PITA because you have to install the X server seperately since Apple decided not to make their UI do X stuff.

Natively, that's correct. But during the OS X install you can tell it to install the X server, or you can just do it yourself. For the half a percent of Mac users that would bother with this (if it's that high), Apple handled the matter well.

 

[wakawaka]

So has anyone released a version that works on non developer PCs yet?

 

[Nothinman]

You really think it's typical that users will want to use "apt-get" (that's a friendly one!) to install an app?

Clicking on Software Manager (or whater they call synaptic in Ubuntu) and browsing a package list is more difficult than browsing the web and hoping you find a good site to download from?

Natively, that's correct. But during the OS X install you can tell it to install the X server, or you can just do it yourself. For the half a percent of Mac users that would bother with this (if it's that high), Apple handled the matter well.

It's only 0.5% because Apple did it this way, if they would have made their OS work like a regular unix, as they should have, I'm sure more people would be using things like gaim, xchat, gimp, etc.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

You really think it's typical that users will want to use "apt-get" (that's a friendly one!) to install an app?

Clicking on Software Manager (or whater they call synaptic in Ubuntu) and browsing a package list is more difficult than browsing the web and hoping you find a good site to download from?

I've seen several distro's package lists. I've not come away impressed. When it's as easy as going to www.macupdate.com (or apple.com - they have a nice software listing too) and browsing those lists, complete with user feedback, screenshots, and more, it will become much more interesting. And when distributions can get away from dependency problems, and packages that depend on and only work in certain distributions, it will become even more interesting. I remember the days of upgrading the kernel and suddenly having half of the apps stop working due to dependencies; Linux can be *very* un-fun. I remember the days of browsing freshmeat.org and downloading packages only to have to fiddle with them to get them working in my distribution. I remember the days of fiddling with apps to get them working with the right sound drivers (install ALSA, anyone?) Linux isn't fun for a lot of things.

Natively, that's correct. But during the OS X install you can tell it to install the X server, or you can just do it yourself. For the half a percent of Mac users that would bother with this (if it's that high), Apple handled the matter well.

It's only 0.5% because Apple did it this way, if they would have made their OS work like a regular unix, as they should have, I'm sure more people would be using things like gaim, xchat, gimp, etc.

I don't think the typical Mac user cares. There just isn't the draw for gaim and gimp and xchat in the Mac crowd that I think you think there is. Sure, a few kids and a few Penguinistas will install it to get the free stuff (and, importantly, to learn), but for the most part, mom and pop will install the standard Mac stuff with the pretty GUIs, made for the Mac, on the Mac, by the Mac, written as a single .pkg package binary that simply drags and drops to the Applications folder. Particularly when Apple already includes, per your list, a good chat client and a good photo editing program (or three) on many of their computers.

I think you're taking this wayyy too harshly. Just realize that for many people, myself included, Linux has few if any tangible benefits other than being free. And when you get right down to it, that's not worth that much to me and to many other people.

 

[coomar]

but their aren't platform drivers for it, nf4 mobos will probably crash

 

[Nothinman]

I've seen several distro's package lists. I've not come away impressed

I run Debian sid and I can only think of maybe 5 things that I have installed that's not in the official repositories, other than commercial games and VMWare of course.

When it's as easy as going to www.macupdate.com (or apple.com - they have a nice software listing too) and browsing those lists, complete with user feedback, screenshots, and more, it will become much more interesting.

That requires a GUI and a web browser, not something I can guarantee I'll have available all of the time so I don't want to be dependent on them. And if you want feedback and screenshots just browse freshmeat.net, most of the time you'll find something good and it'll already be packaged for Debian.

And when distributions can get away from dependency problems, and packages that depend on and only work in certain distributions, it will become even more interesting.

That's impossible unless every package starts including every dependency or static linking which would be really f'ing stupid. Again, I run Debian and the only time I see dependency problems is during a major migration like the C++ ABI migration that just happened in sid, but most users will never see that because they'll stay running stable or even testing.

I remember the days of upgrading the kernel and suddenly having half of the apps stop working due to dependencies;

That must have been before I owned a computer because I haven't ever had a kernel update break any userland apps, unless I did something stupid like not include support for a device I use.

I remember the days of browsing freshmeat.org and downloading packages only to have to fiddle with them to get them working in my distribution. I remember the days of fiddling with apps to get them working with the right sound drivers (install ALSA, anyone?) Linux isn't fun for a lot of things.

I remember the days of trying to get an ISA sound card and modem to work in Win95, not exactly something you would try to put someone through now thought, right? Windows didn't magically start out easy, hell IMO it's still not easy to do most things in it and MS only makes it worse by changing everything around every 5 years. Comparing Linux 10 years go to Windows now is unfair and stupid.

I don't think the typical Mac user cares

Which is why they're a Mac user, they bought a fancy computer with a shiny case to be able to read email.

There just isn't the draw for gaim and gimp and xchat in the Mac crowd that I think you think there is.

Probably just because they've never heard of them, I don't even know what the paint/photoshop-like tool that OS X comes with looks or works like. I would bet that if you showed a bunch of users The GIMP and Photoshop Elements side-by-side and showed them the prices, they would choose the Gimp without much thought. Sure Gimp doesn't do certain things that professional Photoshop users need right now, but that could all change in short order.

I think you're taking this wayyy too harshly. Just realize that for many people, myself included, Linux has few if any tangible benefits other than being free. And when you get right down to it, that's not worth that much to me and to many other people.

I'm not taking anything harshly, I just think that everyone who cries about Linux being hard aren't taking into account all of the time they had to put into learning their current system. And on top of it Linux is a much simpler and consistent system once you get the basics down, all of the registry and netinfo crap in Windows and OS X is a PITA with no real advantages IMO. And for most non-Mac users being free is enough to warrant spending some time to see if they like it, Macs are a special case though because you just spent so much money on the thing that the price of the OS is almost irrelevant anyway.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: STaSh
Guess what happens when you sync the first time? Whoops, there goes your music. Brilliant.

:laugh: Brilliant indeed ,well every manafacturer has there own sh1tty ideas , like SONY didn't let me send my songs back to my pc In case I did a format and reinstalled winblows on there, and they didn't allow users to use those nice dirt cheap 150-170 MB minidiscs as a storage device . But now with Sony Hi-MD players you
can store all the data you want on that dirt cheap $ 7 1GB rewritable @ 64x optical-magnetic minidisc sweeet.