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OSX is very, very impressive

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BD2003

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I installed OS X on my rig about a month ago, and even though it impressed me from the start, I refrained making any comments on it during the "honeymoon period". Even though the system has been dual boot from the start, I havent booted into vista since.

Its not that windows is bad, its just when youre using OS X, its quite obvious that youre using something designed with the consumer in mind. When using Vista/XP, it feels like a business workhorse that I've dragged home with me.

The first obvious difference is that OS X looks much nicer. Its a superficial difference that means nothing at work, but a great deal at home. I find the way closing a windows doesnt necessarily close an app to be a much smarter use of memory in the year 2008 than the windows/linux method. The built in apps (including iLife) also put the Vista equivalents to absolute shame. iTunes is a dog on windows, but runs great on OSX.

Gaming is and always will be an issue, and its whats kept me from using anything but windows for a long time, but I havent gamed on my PC since I got a 360.

At this point, I cant see how I'm going to buy or recommend that anyone else buy another windows PC for home unless they do something shockingly different with windows 7, which just isnt going to happen based upon how its shaping up.

At work its still a different story, as MS office for OSX has nothing on Office 2007 for windows. You could always virtualize, but thats a little too much for me just to run office.
 
Gaming is the only thing tying me to windows, I'm afraid. I would have migrated to Ubuntu months ago if I didn't love PC games.
 
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Gaming is the only thing tying me to windows, I'm afraid. I would have migrated to Ubuntu months ago if I didn't love PC games.
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Well, at this point, the only games I really care to play on PC instead of 360 are spore, and blizzard games. Thankfully, all of those will be mac native. But yeah, gaming is really a huge gap between the two.
 
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Gaming is the only thing tying me to windows, I'm afraid. I would have migrated to Ubuntu months ago if I didn't love PC games.
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Well, at this point, the only games I really care to play on PC instead of 360 are spore, and blizzard games. Thankfully, all of those will be mac native. But yeah, gaming is really a huge gap between the two.
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You bring up Spore and Blizzard MAC natives which are my big games this year aswell- not to mention Id bringing their games to Mac soon aswell (Id tech engine 5) it is looking better for Mac gaming, enjoy 🙂. I have never used OS X but I have recently ventured in Linux and am very impressed with Ubuntu, like others the only thing keeping me with windows is PC gaming- for everything else Linux is far better for me. Lets hope the software developers continue to bring their Apps/games to alternate OS's :thumbsup:
 
Welcome to the dark side. 🙂

OSX is an awesome OS, no question about it. However, if I hadn't got a cheap Macbook Pro from my school there would be no way I'd buy a Mac. A Hackintosh is where it's at IMO.
 
Originally posted by: BD2003
I installed OS X on my rig about a month ago, and even though it impressed me from the start, I refrained making any comments on it during the "honeymoon period". Even though the system has been dual boot from the start, I havent booted into vista since.
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You can thank BSD 😉

I ran OSX for some time on a hackintosh.
Now if someone could just make apple see that releasing OSX to the masses of X86 users could be a windfall for them. Don't even support it, just take out that EFI bios checking.
 
Originally posted by: Xanis
Welcome to the dark side. 🙂

OSX is an awesome OS, no question about it. However, if I hadn't got a cheap Macbook Pro from my school there would be no way I'd buy a Mac. A Hackintosh is where it's at IMO.
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I wouldnt mind buying an iMac if there was some way to upgrade the video. Theyre not marked up *that* much when you take into account all that youre getting, but the stock video is already pathetic, with absolutely no upgrade path. I'm not willing to entirely give up PC gaming just yet.

Hackintosh is nice and all, but its still a hack. I have numerous problems, and I cant easily update it. If they released a legit supported installable OS X that I could run on my own hardware though, I'd be all over it.

Linux is nice and all, for my older laptop. For the home, OS X feels modern, Windows feels archaic with a shiny coat, and linux feels like a cheap knockoff of the real thing. It has its uses and all, but its not quite a competitor at home yet.
 
My biggest issue with unix based OS besides OSX, is the multimedia support. Linux does a lot of things great, but its support for things like video editing is really what kills it for me.
 
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Originally posted by: BD2003
iTunes is a dog on windows, but runs great on OSX.
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That's apple's fault.
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Oh, for sure. They obviously dont care to optimize it for windows. I'm just pointing out the itunes performance on windows is not indicative of OS X's performance in general.
 
I feel if it wasn't for windows, this site wouldn't be there. First of all, there are only few productive and enterprise level apps for MAC, what power is left in it is used on eye candy visuals and interface, something that cannot be done in windows. Windows has a wide category of users with many different hardware. With Mac you have limited choice with everything, you should ask yourself what I can do with MAC that I can't in Windows.

Mac is no use for me. I write multi-platform apps in windows...heck I can't even earn a dime on it.... It's a fancy hype people like to jump into. I can achieve everything in Windows.
 
I wouldn't be opposed to moving to a mac. My next laptop will be a macbook. But currently I feel locked to windows for a couple/few things, like using my Xbox360 as a Media Center Extender and the Zune software/wma format.
 
Like many I have dabbled with Ubuntu and like it. I also have a 24" iMac but agree, the video card is terrible for anything but basic stuff.

I dont have a console and wont get one until they get solid keyboard/mouse support, at that point I might kiss Windows goodbye forever.
 
I'm on windows for gaming as well. I'd like to switch to console but I just hate the controllers .... aiming a gun with my thumb just doesn't work for me like a mouse does 🙂 other than that, i'd be off windows in a heartbeat
 
The first obvious difference is that OS X looks much nicer. Its a superficial difference that means nothing at work, but a great deal at home.
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See, I don't like the look of OS X. I much prefer the way that Gnome or even Windows (classic theme) looks.

I find the way closing a windows doesnt necessarily close an app to be a much smarter use of memory in the year 2008 than the windows/linux method.
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This bugs me about OS X too. If I close the last window in an app I expect it to quit completely. I'm sure it would be a small thing to get used to if I had to use OS X but it seems counter intuitive to me.
 
Originally posted by: geoffry
I dont have a console and wont get one until they get solid keyboard/mouse support, at that point I might kiss Windows goodbye forever.
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Originally posted by: racolvin
I'm on windows for gaming as well. I'd like to switch to console but I just hate the controllers .... aiming a gun with my thumb just doesn't work for me like a mouse does other than that, i'd be off windows in a heartbeat
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You know, I said the very same thing for the longest time. For years. You could probably search the forums here and find plenty of instances of me saying that the controller sucks, I need a mouse and keyboard. And the mouse/kb is still unequivocally a more precise control method than the dual analog.

But what I failed to recognize for the longest time is that while it absolutely controls better with a mouse/kb, the games arent any less enjoyable with dual analog, once you get used to it. I know that sounds like blasphemy, but its the truth. I cant say I really miss the mouse much at all.
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
The first obvious difference is that OS X looks much nicer. Its a superficial difference that means nothing at work, but a great deal at home.
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See, I don't like the look of OS X. I much prefer the way that Gnome or even Windows (classic theme) looks.

I find the way closing a windows doesnt necessarily close an app to be a much smarter use of memory in the year 2008 than the windows/linux method.
Click to expand...

This bugs me about OS X too. If I close the last window in an app I expect it to quit completely. I'm sure it would be a small thing to get used to if I had to use OS X but it seems counter intuitive to me.
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Yeah, obviously it comes down a bit to user preference. The fact that apps dont close might seem counter-intuitive, but the way everything just snaps open immediately rather than having to constantly unload and reload makes a huge difference in performance. Some apps, especially the memory hogs (iPhoto, garage band) do close when you close the last window. And while command + W closes a window (just like clicking the red X), command + Q quits the entire app, so its not as if you dont have any choice in the matter.
 
Originally posted by: Aberforth
I feel if it wasn't for windows, this site wouldn't be there. First of all, there are only few productive and enterprise level apps for MAC, what power is left in it is used on eye candy visuals and interface, something that cannot be done in windows. Windows has a wide category of users with many different hardware. With Mac you have limited choice with everything, you should ask yourself what I can do with MAC that I can't in Windows.

Mac is no use for me. I write multi-platform apps in windows...heck I can't even earn a dime on it.... It's a fancy hype people like to jump into. I can achieve everything in Windows.
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No arguing that a mac isnt right for the enterprise, or that it can do things that windows cant (or vice versa) - I'm strictly talking about home consumer use. Although I'm not finding that the eye candy is slowing anything down at all - its no more taxing than aero.

But yeah, the limited choice does bother me, and its the reason I'm running a hackintosh and not a real mac. Right now you can choose between a tiny laptop hardware in a toaster PC for $600, a laptop hardware in a monitor PC for $1200, a few laptops of various sizes and prices, and a monster rig for $2800 minimum. All I want is a mini/midtower that I can upgrade like a reasonable human being, and I'm sold. Is that really so much to ask?
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
The first obvious difference is that OS X looks much nicer. Its a superficial difference that means nothing at work, but a great deal at home.
Click to expand...

See, I don't like the look of OS X. I much prefer the way that Gnome or even Windows (classic theme) looks.

I find the way closing a windows doesnt necessarily close an app to be a much smarter use of memory in the year 2008 than the windows/linux method.
Click to expand...

This bugs me about OS X too. If I close the last window in an app I expect it to quit completely. I'm sure it would be a small thing to get used to if I had to use OS X but it seems counter intuitive to me.
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It's intuitive for me. I hate when I X out in Windows and the app is gone, especially with email apps like Lotus Notes. I love everything about OS X and prefer it at a consumer level.
 
The fact that apps dont close might seem counter-intuitive, but the way everything just snaps open immediately rather than having to constantly unload and reload makes a huge difference in performance. Some apps, especially the memory hogs (iPhoto, garage band) do close when you close the last window.
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So some do and some don't? Yay for consistency...
 
I agree with nothingman. When you close the X it should close the application. That bugs the crap out of me as well.
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
The fact that apps dont close might seem counter-intuitive, but the way everything just snaps open immediately rather than having to constantly unload and reload makes a huge difference in performance. Some apps, especially the memory hogs (iPhoto, garage band) do close when you close the last window.
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So some do and some don't? Yay for consistency...
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Well, its supposed to be that apps with a document structure do not close when you close the last window/document, but thats a vague enough guideline that it can be bent.

Despite its inconsistency, it does make quite a bit of sense performance-wise, even if it appears messy.

One thing I can not live without at this point is expose - the glorified alt-tab flip3d in Vista is comparatively stupid.
 
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