OSX Classic Mode is what's missing from Windows

[FreshPrince]

I gotta give apple props for setting up Classic mode...this is probably the best feature of OSX.

Not everybody has the budget to upgrade all legacy software to OSX compatible...hence classic mode. Basically it's like having a Windows 98 virtual PC running in XP...but it's supported natively by the OS. So, anytime you want to install/launch a legacy app that only runs on 98, a virtual PC session would open, load 98, and allow you to do what you need to do inside XP. This feature is tight as h3ll! I wish M$ Windows came outta the box support this feature...this is truely one feature that I can say OSX did better than XP.

I can think of so many legacy systems we have running on dedicated old equipment because those programs only support Windows NT or 98..."classic mode" would come in handy. Yes, virtual pc takes care of this...but it would be much nicer to have the OS support the backwards compatibility. That way I can consolidate all those legacy apps/systems into one giant XP box...without paying for expensive 3rd party VPC software

-FP

p.s. no, I haven't completely converted to OSX....wish apple would made OSX for x86 platform! They would KILL M$..ok, maybe not kill, but convert lots of people!

 

[Amorphus]

It's quite the inconvenience when I have to fire up my VM for a good ol DOS game...

 

[dartworth]

They need Classic...not all apps run on OSX yet

 

[Rogue]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
I gotta give apple props for setting up Classic mode...this is probably the best feature of OSX.

Not everybody has the budget to upgrade all legacy software to OSX compatible...hence classic mode. Basically it's like having a Windows 98 virtual PC running in XP...but it's supported natively by the OS. So, anytime you want to install/launch a legacy app that only runs on 98, a virtual PC session would open, load 98, and allow you to do what you need to do inside XP. This feature is tight as h3ll! I wish M$ Windows came outta the box support this feature...this is truely one feature that I can say OSX did better than XP.

I can think of so many legacy systems we have running on dedicated old equipment because those programs only support Windows NT or 98..."classic mode" would come in handy. Yes, virtual pc takes care of this...but it would be much nicer to have the OS support the backwards compatibility. That way I can consolidate all those legacy apps/systems into one giant XP box...without paying for expensive 3rd party VPC software

-FP

p.s. no, I haven't completely converted to OSX....wish apple would made OSX for x86 platform! They would KILL M$..ok, maybe not kill, but convert lots of people

Uh...last time I checked, WindowsXP does have a compatability mode that does this. I can right click on an executable, click on the Compatibility tab and select the OS context I want it to run in, ranging from Win95 all the way to Win2k.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
I gotta give apple props for setting up Classic mode...this is probably the best feature of OSX.

Not everybody has the budget to upgrade all legacy software to OSX compatible...hence classic mode. Basically it's like having a Windows 98 virtual PC running in XP...but it's supported natively by the OS. So, anytime you want to install/launch a legacy app that only runs on 98, a virtual PC session would open, load 98, and allow you to do what you need to do inside XP. This feature is tight as h3ll! I wish M$ Windows came outta the box support this feature...this is truely one feature that I can say OSX did better than XP.

I can think of so many legacy systems we have running on dedicated old equipment because those programs only support Windows NT or 98..."classic mode" would come in handy. Yes, virtual pc takes care of this...but it would be much nicer to have the OS support the backwards compatibility. That way I can consolidate all those legacy apps/systems into one giant XP box...without paying for expensive 3rd party VPC software

-FP

p.s. no, I haven't completely converted to OSX....wish apple would made OSX for x86 platform! They would KILL M$..ok, maybe not kill, but convert lots of people

Uh...last time I checked, WindowsXP does have a compatability mode that does this. I can right click on an executable, click on the Compatibility tab and select the OS context I want it to run in, ranging from Win95 all the way to Win2k.

Nowhere near the same as a full emulated OS.

VMware will do it.

Viper GTS

 

[ultimatebob]

Windows XP doesn't really need a "Classic Mode". Almost all software written from 1996 upward (with the exception of OS specific system utilities like Norton Antivirus) works fine in Windows XP with no changes, and many of the applications that do not can be successfully run in Windows 95 or Windows NT's "Compatibility mode". Hell, even a bunch of the really old DOS applications will work correctly when run from a command prompt.

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: dartworth
They need Classic...not all apps run on OSX yet

exactly...just like not all accounting software run on Server 2003....or even Server 2000...or even NT, if you're company is strap on cash and you can't get the budget to buy another product or upgrade...wouldn't it be nice to be able to run older apps in the new system?

What ever happend to backwards compatible? a large percentage of the reason why microsoft makes their stuff incompatible with earlier versions is to force people to upgrade and cough up the money. Why not put in a "classic mode" type feature for new software? I can think of countless numbers of instances where "classic mode" in windows would've save my butt.

-FP

 

[Hammer]

ms virtual pc 2004

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Windows XP doesn't really need a "Classic Mode". Almost all software written from 1996 upward (with the exception of OS specific system utilities like Norton Antivirus) works fine in Windows XP with no changes, and many of the applications that do not can be successfully run in Windows 95 or Windows NT's "Compatibility mode". Hell, even a bunch of the really old DOS applications will work correctly when run from a command prompt.

apparently you guys haven't seen the stuff my company runs

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: Hammer
ms virtual pc 2004

ya pay more money....classic mode is free...comes with the os.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: Amorphus
It's quite the inconvenience when I have to fire up my VM for a good ol DOS game...

It's seamless in OS X, that's the thing. If you want to run a classic app, classic will begin when you open the program, and it becomes seamless at that point (only takes a little bit to start up). You literally have OS9 running alongside of OSX.

 

[Rogue]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
I gotta give apple props for setting up Classic mode...this is probably the best feature of OSX.

Not everybody has the budget to upgrade all legacy software to OSX compatible...hence classic mode. Basically it's like having a Windows 98 virtual PC running in XP...but it's supported natively by the OS. So, anytime you want to install/launch a legacy app that only runs on 98, a virtual PC session would open, load 98, and allow you to do what you need to do inside XP. This feature is tight as h3ll! I wish M$ Windows came outta the box support this feature...this is truely one feature that I can say OSX did better than XP.

I can think of so many legacy systems we have running on dedicated old equipment because those programs only support Windows NT or 98..."classic mode" would come in handy. Yes, virtual pc takes care of this...but it would be much nicer to have the OS support the backwards compatibility. That way I can consolidate all those legacy apps/systems into one giant XP box...without paying for expensive 3rd party VPC software

-FP

p.s. no, I haven't completely converted to OSX....wish apple would made OSX for x86 platform! They would KILL M$..ok, maybe not kill, but convert lots of people

Uh...last time I checked, WindowsXP does have a compatability mode that does this. I can right click on an executable, click on the Compatibility tab and select the OS context I want it to run in, ranging from Win95 all the way to Win2k.

Nowhere near the same as a full emulated OS.

VMware will do it.

Viper GTS

But if it works and you don't have to load a whole other OS into your currently running OS, then it's better, right?

 

[VTEC01EX]

The only legacy app I need - Wolfenstein 3D - works perfectly in XP.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
I gotta give apple props for setting up Classic mode...this is probably the best feature of OSX.

Not everybody has the budget to upgrade all legacy software to OSX compatible...hence classic mode. Basically it's like having a Windows 98 virtual PC running in XP...but it's supported natively by the OS. So, anytime you want to install/launch a legacy app that only runs on 98, a virtual PC session would open, load 98, and allow you to do what you need to do inside XP. This feature is tight as h3ll! I wish M$ Windows came outta the box support this feature...this is truely one feature that I can say OSX did better than XP.

I can think of so many legacy systems we have running on dedicated old equipment because those programs only support Windows NT or 98..."classic mode" would come in handy. Yes, virtual pc takes care of this...but it would be much nicer to have the OS support the backwards compatibility. That way I can consolidate all those legacy apps/systems into one giant XP box...without paying for expensive 3rd party VPC software

-FP

p.s. no, I haven't completely converted to OSX....wish apple would made OSX for x86 platform! They would KILL M$..ok, maybe not kill, but convert lots of people

Uh...last time I checked, WindowsXP does have a compatability mode that does this. I can right click on an executable, click on the Compatibility tab and select the OS context I want it to run in, ranging from Win95 all the way to Win2k.

Nowhere near the same as a full emulated OS.

VMware will do it.

Viper GTS

But if it works and you don't have to load a whole other OS into your currently running OS, then it's better, right?

But not all programs run under compatibility mode in Windows XP. All OS9 programs run under OSX in Classic.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
I gotta give apple props for setting up Classic mode...this is probably the best feature of OSX.

Not everybody has the budget to upgrade all legacy software to OSX compatible...hence classic mode. Basically it's like having a Windows 98 virtual PC running in XP...but it's supported natively by the OS. So, anytime you want to install/launch a legacy app that only runs on 98, a virtual PC session would open, load 98, and allow you to do what you need to do inside XP. This feature is tight as h3ll! I wish M$ Windows came outta the box support this feature...this is truely one feature that I can say OSX did better than XP.

I can think of so many legacy systems we have running on dedicated old equipment because those programs only support Windows NT or 98..."classic mode" would come in handy. Yes, virtual pc takes care of this...but it would be much nicer to have the OS support the backwards compatibility. That way I can consolidate all those legacy apps/systems into one giant XP box...without paying for expensive 3rd party VPC software

-FP

p.s. no, I haven't completely converted to OSX....wish apple would made OSX for x86 platform! They would KILL M$..ok, maybe not kill, but convert lots of people

Uh...last time I checked, WindowsXP does have a compatability mode that does this. I can right click on an executable, click on the Compatibility tab and select the OS context I want it to run in, ranging from Win95 all the way to Win2k.

Nowhere near the same as a full emulated OS.

VMware will do it.

Viper GTS

But if it works and you don't have to load a whole other OS into your currently running OS, then it's better, right?

Most people who need things like vmware & Virtual PC need a true environment, not some hacks to make a program believe it's running in an older OS.

Plus, supporting one virtual OS is one thing but the list of OS's supported by VMWare/Virtual PC is quite long.

Viper GTS

 

[johnjbruin]

VMWare in XP:
I run: Win98, Mandrake, Redhat, old DOS (just to fvck around with most of them). Only use Mandrake to do native C programming.

 

[FrustratedUser]

It's a great feature. Some people are just a bit 'thick' when it comes to accepting that.

 

[johnjbruin]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
It's a great feature. Some people are just a bit 'thick' when it comes to accepting that.

Never dis-agreed that its a great feature. Just said there are viable solutions for windows also, and in some cases they work better.

 

[pulse8]

It's a great feature...for a Mac.

I never really run into that problem within Windows.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: johnjbruin

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
It's a great feature. Some people are just a bit 'thick' when it comes to accepting that.

Never dis-agreed that its a great feature. Just said there are viable solutions for windows also, and in some cases they work better.

How do the windows solutions work better? They cost money, and the built in compatibility mode is horrible when it comes to bigger programs.

 

[gsaldivar]

Originally posted by: pulse8
It's a great feature...for a Mac.

I never really run into that problem within Windows.

 

[johnjbruin]

Originally posted by: KraziKid

Originally posted by: johnjbruin

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
It's a great feature. Some people are just a bit 'thick' when it comes to accepting that.

Never dis-agreed that its a great feature. Just said there are viable solutions for windows also, and in some cases they work better.

How do the windows solutions work better? They cost money, and the built in compatibility mode is horrible when it comes to bigger programs.

You tell me how you would run linux and mac together if you only had one machine and needed them simultaneously. I mean i can do this on my laptop with XP. Its more convenient for me. Can your iBook do this? I know OSX is 'linux based' - however you want to interpret that. But VMware already does what classic mode would do and goes way beyond that.
Just a side question - have you ever used vmware?

 

[arod]

The only reason this is needed for mac is the cost of new software IMO, When I get a new PC I always get all new software to go with it and really the only thing I need to buy is Office and Windows. Everything else I run is freeware so it costs like ~200 bucks when i get a new computer (I have used XP on a few machines so im approximating)

 

[FreshPrince]

ok, guys, this isn't a vmware vs. classic mode thread.

yes, vmware is better...but it costs money.

I'm saying why didn't M$ include a "classic mode" type feature in their OS? meaning, if you buy a new pc....it will come with XP, and windows 98 already built-in as classic mode. If they did, we wouldn't need vmware to run legacy systems.

yes, you can also run linux, bsd, solaris...blah blah blah with vmware as well all on one pc, but that's not what I'm talking about here is it?

-FP

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
ok, guys, this isn't a vmware vs. classic mode thread.

yes, vmware is better...but it costs money.

I'm saying why didn't M$ include a "classic mode" type feature in their OS? meaning, if you buy a new pc....it will come with XP, and windows 98 already built-in as classic mode. If they did, we wouldn't need vmware to run legacy systems.

yes, you can also run linux, bsd, solaris...blah blah blah with vmware as well all on one pc, but that's not what I'm talking about here is it?

-FP

It's not as necessary in a Windows environment as it is in a Mac environment.

The only time it was as necessary in the Windows environment is when it went from 3.11 to 95. That's about the same jump the Mac OS had when it went from OS9 to OSX.