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ayabe

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Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Craig234
I think this illustrates how petty some of the people are when it comes to the Bush attacks...

However, Ted Kennedy makes a gaffe and it gets ignored. Double standard.

ProfJohn logic:

Post is made attacking Kennedy for an innocent, common gaffe on Osama/Obama.

John's reaction: it illustrates how low some will go on *Bush* attacks.

FWIW, I recall some fun poking at Bush over it, and no 'serious' attacks on him for it.

On the other hand, even from someone not a Bush partisan, we have:

Kennedy if a fat drunk who can't keep his pants on.

Red Dawn, can you offer one or two facts whatsoever in the last 15 years to justify that attack? One single drinking embarrassment, one single sexual indiscretion?

If not, back off. The man has changed his behavior and 20 year old attacks are a bit excessive.
Kiss my ass, that fat POS has gotten away with things the average Joe would have done time for just because he's a Kennedy.


Now... now... Laura Bush is neither a Kennedy, fat, or male. Just because she got away with driving through a stop sign and killing her ex-boyfriend is no reason to bad mouth her!

Yeah noone talks about that. That's what we call vehicular homicide, but I guess the law doesn't apply to southern debutants with money. Accident or no accident, it's vehicular homicide.

Bam.
 

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Originally posted by: hellokeith
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Personally I think it's funny, but I doubt Barack does.

You mean a gaffe like today in Bush's news conference when he started to say how "crucial" our presense in Iraq is and stopped in mid-wentence and changed it to "critical"??

Yeah, sh1t happens all the time.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Craig234
I think this illustrates how petty some of the people are when it comes to the Bush attacks...

However, Ted Kennedy makes a gaffe and it gets ignored. Double standard.

ProfJohn logic:

Post is made attacking Kennedy for an innocent, common gaffe on Osama/Obama.

John's reaction: it illustrates how low some will go on *Bush* attacks.

FWIW, I recall some fun poking at Bush over it, and no 'serious' attacks on him for it.

On the other hand, even from someone not a Bush partisan, we have:

Kennedy if a fat drunk who can't keep his pants on.

Red Dawn, can you offer one or two facts whatsoever in the last 15 years to justify that attack? One single drinking embarrassment, one single sexual indiscretion?

If not, back off. The man has changed his behavior and 20 year old attacks are a bit excessive.
Kiss my ass, that fat POS has gotten away with things the average Joe would have done time for just because he's a Kennedy.


Now... now... Laura Bush is neither a Kennedy, fat, or male. Just because she got away with driving through a stop sign and killing her ex-boyfriend is no reason to bad mouth her!

Yeah noone talks about that. That's what we call vehicular homicide, but I guess the law doesn't apply to southern debutants with money. Accident or no accident, it's vehicular homicide.

Bam.

If I recall correctly, wasn't it was her ex-boyfriend she ran over??
 
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think this illustrates how petty some of the people are when it comes to the Bush attacks.
Yes, he tends to make verbal gaffes, and for that the left calls him stupid etc.
However, Ted Kennedy makes a gaffe and it gets ignored. Double standard.

Do you REALLY want to count up the number of verbal gaffes that dumbya has made in comparison to Ted Kennedy, even with the decades of service he has served, dumbya crowns himself the worst speaker, communicator, and president in history.
And if you really do want proof, I'd be MORE than happy to get it for you. But of course you'll divert, dance, shuffle, stutter something about Clinton, and then not pay attention to the truth.
Keep your head in the sand, it's very fitting.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: PELarson
Now... now... Laura Bush is neither a Kennedy, fat, or male. Just because she got away with driving through a stop sign and killing her ex-boyfriend is no reason to bad mouth her!
That's a pretty cheap attack dude. When did Laura run for anything? Can we now did up anything done by a spouse and use it to attack that person?
 

Pens1566

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Nope, only drunk ones that kill someone. And we'll just counter that with whatever stupid thing Katherine Harris has done this week. You can't win.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: PELarson
Now... now... Laura Bush is neither a Kennedy, fat, or male. Just because she got away with driving through a stop sign and killing her ex-boyfriend is no reason to bad mouth her!
That's a pretty cheap attack dude. When did Laura run for anything? Can we now did up anything done by a spouse and use it to attack that person?

A cheap shot begets a cheap shot. Lump it!

The answer to your other question is Mrs. Nush has run for the same amount of offices as Mrs. Clinton did before 2000! So again lump it!

 

ProfJohn

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Craig,
What I see and you do not, is that people use the Bush tendency to misspeak as evidence that he is an idiot.
My evidence "Do you REALLY want to count up the number of verbal gaffes that dumbya has made"

Lack of speaking skills does not equate to intelligence.

Really this all falls into the idea that Democrats are smart, and Republicans are not.
Bill Clinton, smartest guy to be President.
Hillary Clinton, smarter woman on the PLANET.

Reagan and Bush, stupid idiots without the intelligence to be President.
If you haven?t noticed this trend then you are not paying attention.
 

ProfJohn

Lifer
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Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: PELarson
Now... now... Laura Bush is neither a Kennedy, fat, or male. Just because she got away with driving through a stop sign and killing her ex-boyfriend is no reason to bad mouth her!
That's a pretty cheap attack dude. When did Laura run for anything? Can we now did up anything done by a spouse and use it to attack that person?
A cheap shot begets a cheap shot. Lump it!
Kennedy is an elected official, Laura Bush is not. BIG difference.
 

Pens1566

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Well, I also base it on not being able to answer a question without spewing something that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. My pet goat also factors in as well.
 
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Craig,
What I see and you do not, is that people use the Bush tendency to misspeak as evidence that he is an idiot.
My evidence "Do you REALLY want to count up the number of verbal gaffes that dumbya has made"

Lack of speaking skills does not equate to intelligence.

Really this all falls into the idea that Democrats are smart, and Republicans are not.
Bill Clinton, smartest guy to be President.
Hillary Clinton, smarter woman on the PLANET.

Reagan and Bush, stupid idiots without the intelligence to be President.
If you haven?t noticed this trend then you are not paying attention.

I am not just talking about misspeaking, I am talking about making up words, using a producers skirt to clean his glasses, talking about February 30th being the end of the fiscal year, there are literally THOUSANDS more, and I ask again johnny, do you want the proof?
Everyone, everyone misspeaks sometimes, dumbya has brought it to a whole new level with his arrogance, ignorance and stubborness.
It's sickening how much you kiss his ass.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Banned member with new ISP
Craig,
What I see and you do not, is that people use the Bush tendency to misspeak as evidence that he is an idiot.
My evidence "Do you REALLY want to count up the number of verbal gaffes that dumbya has made"

Lack of speaking skills does not equate to intelligence.

Really this all falls into the idea that Democrats are smart, and Republicans are not.
Bill Clinton, smartest guy to be President.
Hillary Clinton, smarter woman on the PLANET.

Reagan and Bush, stupid idiots without the intelligence to be President.
If you haven?t noticed this trend then you are not paying attention.

I am not just talking about misspeaking, I am talking about making up words, using a producers skirt to clean his glasses, talking about February 30th being the end of the fiscal year, there are literally THOUSANDS more, and I ask again johnny, do you want the proof?
Everyone, everyone misspeaks sometimes, dumbya has brought it to a whole new level with his arrogance, ignorance and stubborness.
It's sickening how much you kiss his ass.
Do you realize how hard he and the other apologist have to work to defend Bush?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Craig,
What I see and you do not, is that people use the Bush tendency to misspeak as evidence that he is an idiot.
My evidence "Do you REALLY want to count up the number of verbal gaffes that dumbya has made"

Lack of speaking skills does not equate to intelligence.

Really this all falls into the idea that Democrats are smart, and Republicans are not.
Bill Clinton, smartest guy to be President.
Hillary Clinton, smarter woman on the PLANET.

Reagan and Bush, stupid idiots without the intelligence to be President.
If you haven?t noticed this trend then you are not paying attention.

Not really. The Clintons speak at the level of their intelligence but Reagan and Bush do not. The two Republicans are disingenuous and cunning. The affect being Bubbas because they know that average people hate, are jealous of, people who are smart. Bush can talk just like a King if he wanted to. Bush is also plenty smart. He also happens to be a fool who believes powerfully in his own delusions. He is a good man who is wrong and that means that much of what this good man does turns to evil.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Craig234

Red Dawn, can you offer one or two facts whatsoever in the last 15 years to justify that attack? One single drinking embarrassment, one single sexual indiscretion?

If not, back off. The man has changed his behavior and 20 year old attacks are a bit excessive.
Kiss my ass, that fat POS has gotten away with things the average Joe would have done time for just because he's a Kennedy.

So, no, you can't back your comments up with one fact. But you sure did expose him as being overweight, I think, the height of (your) discourse.

You can kiss your own ass, since your lips are right there anyway.
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Craig,
What I see and you do not, is that people use the Bush tendency to misspeak as evidence that he is an idiot.
My evidence "Do you REALLY want to count up the number of verbal gaffes that dumbya has made"

Lack of speaking skills does not equate to intelligence.

Really this all falls into the idea that Democrats are smart, and Republicans are not.
Bill Clinton, smartest guy to be President.
Hillary Clinton, smarter woman on the PLANET.

Reagan and Bush, stupid idiots without the intelligence to be President.
If you haven?t noticed this trend then you are not paying attention.

Being inarticulate is not the only reason people think Bush is an idiot. It's not even the main reason.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: Balt
Being inarticulate is not the only reason people think Bush is an idiot. It's not even the main reason.

Too bad Bush is smarter than these people :laugh:

It is amazing how liberals can tag the guy as an idiot and then come back and try to convince us he somehow fooled an entire nation and several other countries.
 

hellokeith

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And I thought the libs would get a chuckle out of Kennedy's slip. Man, they must be really nervous about the election.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Lack of speaking skills does not equate to intelligence.
No, but lack of intelligence does. How much intellectual acumen does it take to plan a war that, by its nature, is going to result in death and destruction when Bush went with Ronald Dumbsfeld's claims that their pre-war planning included plenty of troops to handle foreseeable problems in the aftermath of their invasion, despite warnings from Army Chief of Staff, Eric Shinseki that they would need around 300,000 - 400,000 troops to do the job?

If one experienced combat general's opinion wasn't enough, how much smarts does it take to listen to another one, like Colin Powell, whose rule was to use overwhelming force for any combat operation?

And if two experienced combat generals weren't enough, he could always have taken some advice from a previous President with experience fighting Saddam. On page 489 of his memoir, "A World Transformed" (Alfred A. Knopf, 1998), written with Brent Scowcroft, former President, George H. W. Bush wrote:
Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome.
Sound familiar? :confused:

If only his idiot son could read. :(
 

ProfJohn

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I am tired of debating stupid crap like this with you guys.
Not even sure why I bother.
Go ahead and think that Bush is an idiot, but if that is true then he is an idiot that beat your best and brightest, what does that make Kerry?

I'll stick to topics with a little more subsistence.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am tired of debating stupid crap like this with you guys.
Not even sure why I bother.
Go ahead and think that Bush is an idiot, but if that is true then he is an idiot that beat your best and brightest, what does that make Kerry?

I'll stick to topics with a little more subsistence.

Does that mean you'll stay out your own threads?
 

CellarDoor

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think this illustrates how petty some of the people are when it comes to the Bush attacks.
Yes, he tends to make verbal gaffes, and for that the left calls him stupid etc.
However, Ted Kennedy makes a gaffe and it gets ignored. Double standard.

For once, I agree with you. This is what extremists do on both sides, especially on talk radio. They sit around and find something to hate about and then get all fussy over semantical issues.

I do think it's sad that the president of the United States can't pronounce nuclear correctly, but I've known this for 6 years now, and pointing it out now doesn't give me any pleasure.

On the other hand, it is important to differentiate between a single mistake, and a "mistake" that someone continues to make.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am tired of debating stupid crap like this with you guys.
You can always stop. :cool:
Not even sure why I bother.
Neither are we. You've got nothing to say and far too many words to say it. :p
Go ahead and think that Bush is an idiot, but if that is true then he is an idiot that beat your best and brightest, what does that make Kerry?
A victim of the Bushwhackos' lie and smear machine, just like Max Cleland:
In 2002, what Cleland calls "the second big grenade in my life" blew up in his face. Running for reelection to the Senate, he was confronted by a Republican challenger, Saxby Chambliss, who used the George Bush/Karl Rove playbook to smear him as a weakling on national security. Chambliss (who sat out the Vietnam war with a bad knee) ran a commercial that depicted Cleland's face morphing into that of Osama bin Laden. Cleland lost the election, a blow from which he says he still hasn't recovered.
Just like John McCain
Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000

Bush Supporters Called McCain "The i love you Candidate." In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain "the i love you candidate." Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed "even as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn"t hire openly gay people for his administration."

McCain Slurs Included Illegitimate Children, Homosexuality And A Drug-Addict Wife.

Among the rumors circulated against McCain in 2000 in South Carolina was that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually black, that McCain was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug addict."

Bush Campaign Used Code Words to Question McCain"s Temper.

"A smear campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the presidency in 2000. Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW in North Vietnam with a loose screw. And it is bruited about that he shouldn't be entrusted with nuclear weapons."

Bush Supporters Questioned McCain"s Sanity.

"Some of George W. Bush's supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time."

Bush Supporters Spread Racist Rumors About McCain"s Daughter.

Bush supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that McCain had a "black child." The McCains" daughter, Bridget, was adopted from Mother Teresa"s orphanage in Bangladesh. In August 2000, columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that the McCains "are still seething about Bush supporters in South Carolina spreading word of their dark-skinned adopted daughter."

Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.

In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as "suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute," according to the New Yorker.
Just like Ann Richards:
But it is a politically fatal form of naiveté to think senior Bush political strategist Karl Rove has been sitting idly in his West Wing office hoping that a group might spontaneously arise to question John Kerry's credibility as a commander. The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the whisper campaign against Ann Richards that questioned her sexuality, the attacks on John McCain's mental health in South Carolina, and the questioning of his environmental record in the New York primary were all products of the fastidious work of Karl Rove. And it does not take an FBI agent to make the connections.
And just like the rest of America. :(
I'll stick to topics with a little more subsistence.
Promises, promises... but first, it wouldn't hurt if you could understand what subsistence is. A spelling and grammar checker wouldn't hurt you, either. Your abuse of the English language is enough to make me think you're anti-semantic. :laugh:
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Craig234

Red Dawn, can you offer one or two facts whatsoever in the last 15 years to justify that attack? One single drinking embarrassment, one single sexual indiscretion?

If not, back off. The man has changed his behavior and 20 year old attacks are a bit excessive.
Kiss my ass, that fat POS has gotten away with things the average Joe would have done time for just because he's a Kennedy.

So, no, you can't back your comments up with one fact. But you sure did expose him as being overweight, I think, the height of (your) discourse.

You can kiss your own ass, since your lips are right there anyway.
OK you got me, the last one I remember was 15 years ago when he and his nephew William Kennedy Smith went out and about drinking and philandering right before Smith allegedly raped a woman. So I guess he's learned his lesson from multiple instances of being a drunken lout or more than likely learned how to do it out of the public eye

 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
People do make mistakes, Mr. Kennedy just happens to make a lot of them.
Get a grip on scale and proportion:

Ted Kennedy -- One death. Mary Jo Kopechne died 38 years ago

George W. Bush -- Nearly 3,000 dead American troops, tens of thousands of American wounded and probably hundreds of thousands of other dead and wounded. As of posting this, 91 American troops died in Iraq, this month alone, and we've still got another week to go.

All that blood on Bush's hands was not due to a "mistake." It was intetional, and every so called reason he's given for starting the war have been proven to be LIES. :| :| :|