Osama in Nolan's Batman ?

[syzygy]

Do you see Osama in the Joker ?

The Joker ropes together all these sad, broken institutional types, gives them a purpose,
weapons, mission. They execute his dirty deeds and in the process end up dead like so
much cannon fodder. The Joker's rep for mayhem is built on the bodies of the throwaways.

Those crazies were fascinating. They had so few lines but Nolan painted them in such
stark terms as lost, pathetic, clueless loners with a capacity for senseless violence.
Reminded me so much of the types who gravitate to Al-Qaeda.

 

[Whitecloak]

huh?

 

[Row1and]

Originally posted by: syzygy
Do you see Osama in the Joker ?

The Joker ropes together all these sad, broken institutional types, gives them a purpose,
weapons, mission. They execute his dirty deeds and in the process end up dead like so
much cannon fodder. The Joker's rep for mayhem is built on the bodies of the throwaways.

Those crazies were fascinating. They had so few lines but Nolan painted them in such
stark terms as lost, pathetic, clueless loners with a capacity for senseless violence.
Reminded me so much of the types who gravitate to Al-Qaeda.

I'm pretty sure the joker has been a movie character causing mischievous things way before Osama came to be known as a terrorist

 

[syzygy]

true but this is a darker update and by darker we see more contemporary elements at play.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Row1and

Originally posted by: syzygy
Do you see Osama in the Joker ?

The Joker ropes together all these sad, broken institutional types, gives them a purpose,
weapons, mission. They execute his dirty deeds and in the process end up dead like so
much cannon fodder. The Joker's rep for mayhem is built on the bodies of the throwaways.

Those crazies were fascinating. They had so few lines but Nolan painted them in such
stark terms as lost, pathetic, clueless loners with a capacity for senseless violence.
Reminded me so much of the types who gravitate to Al-Qaeda.

I'm pretty sure the joker has been a movie character causing mischievous things way before Osama came to be known as a terrorist

Or maybe Osama stole his ideas from the Joker.

Ever think about that? Huh? Huh?

Hello....hello....is this thing on?

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: syzygy
Do you see Osama in the Joker ?

The Joker ropes together all these sad, broken institutional types, gives them a purpose,
weapons, mission. They execute his dirty deeds and in the process end up dead like so
much cannon fodder. The Joker's rep for mayhem is built on the bodies of the throwaways.

Those crazies were fascinating. They had so few lines but Nolan painted them in such
stark terms as lost, pathetic, clueless loners with a capacity for senseless violence.
Reminded me so much of the types who gravitate to Al-Qaeda.

Not exactly. Al-Qaeda fights with/for some sort of purpose, however twisted and misguided it might be: for the preservation of Islam, revenge for injustices of the West, etc, etc. The main point of the Joker was that he had no purpose and no credo; he was simply a madman bent on anarchy and mayhem.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Row1and
I'm pretty sure the joker has been a movie character causing mischievous things way before Osama came to be known as a terrorist

DC ought to sue Osama for copyright infringement then! "Sir, your recent actions are simply too close in character to one of our intellectual properties. We ask that you cease your actions until we can discuss the legalities. Kthxbai"

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: syzygy
Do you see Osama in the Joker ?

The Joker ropes together all these sad, broken institutional types, gives them a purpose,
weapons, mission. They execute his dirty deeds and in the process end up dead like so
much cannon fodder. The Joker's rep for mayhem is built on the bodies of the throwaways.

Those crazies were fascinating. They had so few lines but Nolan painted them in such
stark terms as lost, pathetic, clueless loners with a capacity for senseless violence.
Reminded me so much of the types who gravitate to Al-Qaeda.

You just described every gang, extremist cult and criminal organization on the planet. If you see the Joker as resembling Osama, it's because you are channeling current events into your perception of the character. Had this been the 1940s, you might have seen Hitler in the Joker.

 

[mugs]

No, not at all...

But I've seen comparisons between Batman and President Bush because of the spying thing, and I could buy that.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: mugs
No, not at all...

But I've seen comparisons between Batman and President Bush because of the spying thing, and I could buy that.

I don't, I'm sure batman knows how to hold up a flag the right way.

 

[George P Burdell]

Once you smoke some fine herb...

 

[Row1and]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: mugs
No, not at all...

But I've seen comparisons between Batman and President Bush because of the spying thing, and I could buy that.

I don't, I'm sure batman knows how to hold up a flag the right way.

Yeah, and he doesn't think that humans and fish can coexist together...

wonder if he thinks humans and bats can tho'?

 

[Row1and]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Row1and
I'm pretty sure the joker has been a movie character causing mischievous things way before Osama came to be known as a terrorist

DC ought to sue Osama for copyright infringement then! "Sir, your recent actions are simply too close in character to one of our intellectual properties. We ask that you cease your actions until we can discuss the legalities. Kthxbai"

They were going to, but then The Dark Night made way too much money for them to care!

 

[Row1and]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Row1and

Originally posted by: syzygy
Do you see Osama in the Joker ?

The Joker ropes together all these sad, broken institutional types, gives them a purpose,
weapons, mission. They execute his dirty deeds and in the process end up dead like so
much cannon fodder. The Joker's rep for mayhem is built on the bodies of the throwaways.

Those crazies were fascinating. They had so few lines but Nolan painted them in such
stark terms as lost, pathetic, clueless loners with a capacity for senseless violence.
Reminded me so much of the types who gravitate to Al-Qaeda.

I'm pretty sure the joker has been a movie character causing mischievous things way before Osama came to be known as a terrorist

Or maybe Osama stole his ideas from the Joker.

Ever think about that? Huh? Huh?

Hello....hello....is this thing on?

what thing?

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: syzygy
Do you see George W Bush in the Joker ?

The Joker ropes together all these sad, broken institutional types, gives them a purpose,
weapons, mission. They execute his dirty deeds and in the process end up dead like so
much cannon fodder. The Joker's rep for mayhem is built on the bodies of the throwaways.

Those crazies were fascinating. They had so few lines but Nolan painted them in such
stark terms as lost, pathetic, clueless loners with a capacity for senseless violence.
Reminded me so much of the types who gravitate to the CIA/FBI.

 

[Scarpozzi]

I didn't realize the Joker was an arab, but if you say so it MUST be true.

 

[Lorax]

the joker is an anarchist. osama (supposedly) has a purpose.

 

[NeoV]

this is a darker batman only in comparison to the first 4 movies - the true batman from the comic series has been a darker than usual superhero story all along

awful thread topic

 

[UncleWai]

Are you smoking something spiritual?

 

[BassBomb]

I am pretty sure alot of terrorists aren't sad and broken.

They are angry and fanatical

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: syzygy
Reminded me so much of the types who gravitate to Al-Qaeda.

You mean the same types who gravitate towards gangs? It's a widespread condition, not just isolated to those associated with terrorism.

 

[Vehemence]

Originally posted by: syzygy
Do you see Osama in the Joker ?

The Joker ropes together all these sad, broken institutional types, gives them a purpose,
weapons, mission. They execute his dirty deeds and in the process end up dead like so
much cannon fodder. The Joker's rep for mayhem is built on the bodies of the throwaways.

Those crazies were fascinating. They had so few lines but Nolan painted them in such
stark terms as lost, pathetic, clueless loners with a capacity for senseless violence.
Reminded me so much of the types who gravitate to Al-Qaeda.

Y so srs?

 

[RESmonkey]

No, OP. Joker is just a portrayal of a lunatic who wants to wreck havoc because he can. Osama, on other hand, is another stupid terrorist who kills in the name of his bullshit religion.

 

[child of wonder]

If this was truly a movie about Bush and Osama then it would go like this:

- The Joker would elude capture and Batman would initially say capturing the Joker is his highest priority, then a couple months later declare he is not concerned about him anymore.
- After the Joker's latest attack Batman informs Commissioner Gordon he will be attacking the Joker's goons in Metropolis so we can fight them over there instead of over here.
- Batman begins giving away his fortune to Gotham's elite, even taking out pay day loans when he runs out of money claiming he trusts the rich to redistribute the money to the poor and needy.
- While crime is on the rise, Batman spends his time infiltrating abortion clinics and stem cell research laboratories brutally beating the doctors, patients, and scientists.
- Batman vacations for 4 months out of each year.
- Batman never envisioned the Gotham Light Rail could collapse.

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: syzygy
Reminded me so much of the types who gravitate to Al-Qaeda.

You mean the same types who gravitate towards gangs? It's a widespread condition, not just isolated to those associated with terrorism.

Somewhat true. Ofcourse they're analogous. But like in the film, as in actuality, a whole city - and a major metropolis at
that - was held in the grip of terror by a psycho with a nihilistic agenda. The Joker believed his rationalizations and chosen
course of action to have been thrust upon him by fate, society, the world out there. Osama believes the same. Unlike gangs,
neither seeks a personal financial return from their chosen course.

1. Both advocate a perverted and self-negating idea of justice

1. Both want to instill the same fear that either they or some entity which they identify with has personally felt.

1. Both operate on large stages for massive impact using the most advanced means of propaganda.