Ortiz taking shots at Derek Jeter
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No, Ortiz is a DH and Jeter is a SS. We have to keep that in mind. Also, why the Jeter hate? What has he done to anyone?
He is a class act. Stats don't tell the complete picture.
I dunno... somethin about Jeter just bugs the snot out of me. Maybe something about those small beady eyes making him look constantly stoned. That, and I dislike the yanks in general so... yeah.
But regardless... the big papi sounds more like the big babi after those remarks.
But regardless... the big papi sounds more like the big babi after those remarks.
Cause Jeter sounded like a prima donna when he wouldn't move to a different position for ARod, who is a much better SS than him.
But I don't wanna move!!!!!!!! WHAAAAAAA.
Ortzi is a baby can't admit that he's nothing more than a hitter. while Jeter, Justin Morenau, and Jermaine Dye actual baseball players.
sure occasionally ortiz plays first base but for the most part he doesn't. He does not have to spend any energy playing defense.
He's probably pissed too that the Yankees spanked them and they pretty much have no shot at the playoffs unless the twins, tigers or white sox completely collaspe in the wild card race.
What's funny is that his claim that the Yankees lineup helps Jeter. Yet if you look at ortiz's career. He wasn't an average player at best until he went the red sox and batted behind Manny.
sure occasionally ortiz plays first base but for the most part he doesn't. He does not have to spend any energy playing defense.
He's probably pissed too that the Yankees spanked them and they pretty much have no shot at the playoffs unless the twins, tigers or white sox completely collaspe in the wild card race.
What's funny is that his claim that the Yankees lineup helps Jeter. Yet if you look at ortiz's career. He wasn't an average player at best until he went the red sox and batted behind Manny.
I can't possibly see how Jeter could be MVP, he doesn't even have the best numbers on his own team, let alone Ortiz (and isn't the best SS on his team, either). If MVP award is for the best player on the best team, how did Arod win it back when he was on the Rangers? MVP should go to the best player, period. Whoever makes their team better, regardless if they make the playoffs or not. The fact that Ortiz doesn't play defense shouldn't matter either, because Jeter is average at best at the SS position.
So, I'm confused. Do you judge the MVP award based solely on HR totals?
And FYI, I highlighted in your own words the exact reason why many believe Jeter should be the MVP.
Come on, admit it. If the Cubs had the chance to trade Cedeno for Jeter, you'd want that trade made in a heart-beat. I know I would.
I base MVP voting on production...that includes HRs, RBIs, runs, on base percentage, etc...Ortiz has 35 more HRs, 35 more RBIs, 1 more run despite being in a weaker lineup and hitting later in the lineup, Jeter does have a better OBP than Ortiz by 20 points, but Ortiz has a better slugging percentage by 130 points, and a better OBPS by over 100 points. Jeter has a significantly better BA (346 vs 285), but it hasn't resulted in more production, therefore is irrelavent as far as I'm concerned. Plus you can't even count on one hand how many game winning hits Ortiz has this year.
So, in short, the player that produces the most makes their team better the most, IMO...
Well, I'm pretty sure you first said that A-Rod is doing better this year than Jeter, was that a correct assessment? I which case, there's no comparison, Jeter is having the better offensive year. If the Yankees line-up were analyzed, I'd say Jeter is having the best year, followed by Giambi, then A-Rod.
As for the David Ortiz arguement - if you want to go by pure offensive numbers, then Travis Hafner is your MVP, he bests Ortiz in average, and he leads the entire league in slugging & on-base percentage - while playing for a significantly worse team to add. And those two are closely followed by Jim Thome. And Jermaine Dye is having an amazing offensive year right up with these other 3 too, and playing a good right-field in addition. I have to automatically knock DH's down because they do not play half the game, making them less valuable to a team.
Talking about Jeter on the other hand, he's got the offensive numbers to put him into consideration, he plays the toughest defensive position in the field which is a huge bonus to his case, and what he has done for the Yankees to help keep that team together when so many things have gone wrong, that's why I think Derek Jeter should be the MVP of the A.L. And if not, then probably Jermaine Dye (though it hurts so much thinking about that, being a Cubs fan & all...).
Arod won cause it was a fluke year, sincel nobody else on a good team had a year worthy of MVP honors.
Agreed.
Not to say that Ortiz hasn't been clutch, but Jeter has carried the team while some of their biggest players went down to injuries (Shef, Matsui, Cano, etc.), while playing excellent defense.
They now have the best record in the AL, whereas the Sox are all but done.
I'd pick Jeter over Ortiz, but wouldn't be upset if Dye or Morneau won over him.
And this is coming from a Met fan.
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