Orrin Hatch, the guy who wants to destroy computers of copyright violators, guess what..

[Czar]

http://wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,59305,00.html

But Hatch himself is using unlicensed software on his official website, which presumably would qualify his computer to be smoked by the system he proposes.

The senator's site makes extensive use of a JavaScript menu system developed by Milonic Solutions, a software company based in the United Kingdom. The copyright-protected code has not been licensed for use on Hatch's website.

"It's an unlicensed copy," said Andy Woolley, who runs Milonic. "It's very unfortunate for him because of those comments he made."

more in the link

 

[Gaard]

LOL

 

[Drift3r]

Gogogogogogogo Libertarians !

 

[tcsenter]

Repost

It was dumb then, and just as dumb now.

This is a Congressional Service webpage provided as a service to every Senator, not "Orrin Hatch's". The 'culprit' is not Orrin Hatch, but whoever is contracted to develop these pages for Congress as a courtesy to Senators.

 

[jjones]

Wow, imagine that. Even the good guys are pirating. Ol' Al never should have invented the Intarweb; it's led to all these new criminals who are otherwise such upstanding citizens.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Repost

It was dumb then, and just as dumb now.

This is a Congressional Service webpage provided as a service to every Senator, not "Orrin Hatch's". The 'culprit' is not Orrin Hatch, but whoever is contracted to develop these pages for Congress as a courtesy to Senators.

BTW, the use of stolen code is probably just as prevelant, if not more so, as music piracy. Maybe Orrin should take aim at his courtesy web site providers. Or maybe he should just get his own house in order before he goes off trying to blow up others'.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Repost

It was dumb then, and just as dumb now.

This is a Congressional Service webpage provided as a service to every Senator, not "Orrin Hatch's". The 'culprit' is not Orrin Hatch, but whoever is contracted to develop these pages for Congress as a courtesy to Senators.

Either way, the point stands that he villifies pirates as the scum of the universe, and the people to whom he entrusts his public website are just that scum themselves. No, it might not be "his" site but it certainly reflects deeply on him and his image as a public figure.

 

[Rogue9]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Repost

It was dumb then, and just as dumb now.

This is a Congressional Service webpage provided as a service to every Senator, not "Orrin Hatch's". The 'culprit' is not Orrin Hatch, but whoever is contracted to develop these pages for Congress as a courtesy to Senators.

Oh, it's OK, because the WHOLE Congress does it.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Repost

It was dumb then, and just as dumb now.

This is a Congressional Service webpage provided as a service to every Senator, not "Orrin Hatch's". The 'culprit' is not Orrin Hatch, but whoever is contracted to develop these pages for Congress as a courtesy to Senators.

still looks real bad, let's see how fast he corrects the problem.

I can rename a file anything. You may think you are pulling a legally released for sharing song, while it really is pirated software. Should your comp get zapped before you even realize you made this mistake?

 

[tcsenter]

Either way, the point stands that he villifies pirates as the scum of the universe, and the people to whom he entrusts his public website are just that scum themselves. No, it might not be "his" site but it certainly reflects deeply on him and his image as a public figure.

Actually it doesn't, no more than if the occupant of a rental house owned by Orrin Hatch were found to be pirating software without Hatch's knowledge.

This was not Hatch's responsibility, it was the responsibility of whomever developed the webpages for Congress to ensure the code was properly licensed. Far beyond any reasonable expectation of a Senator to know or be expected to know what the hell the Congressional Services people are doing insofar as webpage coding.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Either way, the point stands that he villifies pirates as the scum of the universe, and the people to whom he entrusts his public website are just that scum themselves. No, it might not be "his" site but it certainly reflects deeply on him and his image as a public figure.

Actually it doesn't, no more than if the occupant of a rental house owned by Orrin Hatch were found to be pirating software without Hatch's knowledge.

This was not Hatch's responsibility, it was the responsibility of whomever developed the webpages for Congress to ensure the code was properly licensed. Far beyond any reasonable expectation of a Senator to know or be expected to know what the hell the Congressional Services people are doing insofar as webpage coding.

if you take your taxes to H&R block to get processed and they make a mistake who do you think gets blamed ?

you do.

ignorance is not a defence.

 

[Alistar7]

it still highlights a major problem, it is possible to infringe without having complicit knowledge. How would Hatch feel having his wiped because of this, no warning, just an empty drive? the other problem is to allow this they must relax the hacking laws, which opens pandoras box on the web. Like it or not the web is tied into our economy and we cannot afford major disruptions. I can't wait until they wind up wiping the mainframe of a fortune 500 company because the janitor downloaded Kiss Double Platinum on lunch.

Don't they realize they will never stop file sharing? They should just create their own and for a small monthly fee you can have whatever you like. I would gladly pay $10 a month for unlimited access to music, games, and software.

or pay a little to these guys and remain a shadow....

make your trusted pc's, I will build a half dozen spares and stick them in my closet with my guns....

 

[almega]

funny

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Either way, the point stands that he villifies pirates as the scum of the universe, and the people to whom he entrusts his public website are just that scum themselves. No, it might not be "his" site but it certainly reflects deeply on him and his image as a public figure.

Actually it doesn't, no more than if the occupant of a rental house owned by Orrin Hatch were found to be pirating software without Hatch's knowledge.

This was not Hatch's responsibility, it was the responsibility of whomever developed the webpages for Congress to ensure the code was properly licensed. Far beyond any reasonable expectation of a Senator to know or be expected to know what the hell the Congressional Services people are doing insofar as webpage coding.

Like I said, maybe Hatch should get his own house in order first.

The only reason he's aware of music pirating is because the interested parties can buy politicians and laws. Too bad those little coders don't have the money to make themselves heard because I guess Mr. Hatch is only capable of listening to the monied interests.

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Oops. Hopefully he will understand how futile of a fight he's got on his hands.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Actually it doesn't, no more than if the occupant of a rental house owned by Orrin Hatch were found to be pirating software without Hatch's knowledge.

Maybe, but let's continue that analogy. What's going to happen to good ol' Orrin if that pirate gets caught? He's going to be all over the news. No, he's not going to get arrested for piracy, and he won't for this website either, but it DOES reflect on his image, and to suggest that it doesn't because it wasn't his direct responsibility is ludicrous. Look at all the news coverage this has got already; it's not a non-issue.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Hatch is a criminal and should be locked up, however I can guarantee you he's not happy about this and he knows that it is reflecting on his image. I wonder if I have permission to "destroy" the server on which his website resides, he was pirating software after all.

 

[gistech1978]

this all proves how out of touch with technology that our lawmakers really are.

 

[tcsenter]

if you take your taxes to H&R block to get processed and they make a mistake who do you think gets blamed ? you do.

First, it is by law the tax payers responsibility to ensure the accuracy of his tax preparation whether or not it is prepared by him. There is no such duty on the part of Senators to ensure their Congressional webpages are coded with licensed software, unless of course we are to believe Senator Hatch personally designed and coded his own webpages. Highly unlikely.

Maybe, but let's continue that analogy. What's going to happen to good ol' Orrin if that pirate gets caught? He's going to be all over the news.

I highly doubt it.

No, he's not going to get arrested for piracy, and he won't for this website either, but it DOES reflect on his image, and to suggest that it doesn't because it wasn't his direct responsibility is ludicrous. Look at all the news coverage this has got already; it's not a non-issue.

The only coverage this has received is from teenie bopper, anti-RIAA, and pro-piracy websites, the same ones who tell lies like 'RIAAs bill will make it illegal to build your own computer'. Is it on CNN? The BBC? The New York Times? Chicago-Sun? Has any mainstream self-respecting newspaper picked this up?

Nope.

It would only "reflect" upon Senator Hatch's image among the same dullard teeny-bopping crowd who are attempting to be "smart" and failing miserably WRT Hatch's responsibility for code on webpages that are neither owned nor operated by him, but provided as a courtesy to him [and every other Senator] by Congress.

I wonder if I have permission to "destroy" the server on which his website resides, he was pirating software after all.

I don't see why Hatch would mind. They're not his computers. Blow away.

There is a difference between being in violation of a copyright and piracy or copyright infringement, of course.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

if you take your taxes to H&R block to get processed and they make a mistake who do you think gets blamed ? you do.

First, it is by law the tax payers responsibility to ensure the accuracy of his tax preparation whether or not it is prepared by him. There is no such duty on the part of Senators to ensure their Congressional webpages are coded with licensed software, unless of course we are to believe Senator Hatch personally designed and coded his own webpages. Highly unlikely

that is just one example.

if a newspaper missprints an ad for a store when you go to the store does the store say well that was a mistake and you need to take it up with the newspaper. no the store has to bite the bullet. and if they want they can recieve damages from the newspaper.

i can go on and on but what it comes down to hatch paid someone for a webpage now that becomes his ( hatchs ) thus making him liable. if you buy a stolen car and the police find out that you have it you are just out of luck the police come and take away the stolen car and you are left out your money and no car.

but since he is a republician he cant do no wrong in your eyes

 

[tcsenter]

that is just one example.

And a bad one, let's see how you do on the others...

if a newspaper missprints an ad for a store when you go to the store does the store say well that was a mistake and you need to take it up with the newspaper. no the store has to bite the bullet. and if they want they can recieve damages from the newspaper.

Again, this is because state laws require the store to honor published pricing errors. The intent of this law, which varies widely from state to state, was to prevent stores from bait and switch tactics that were quite prevalent a few decades ago. The stores would publish a low price to attract people, then say the price was a misprint, "but we'll give it to you for the special low price of" some amount that would not have attracted people to the sale. Stores do the same thing today, but they get around it by disclosing 'while supplies last - no rainchecks'.

Orrin Hatch isn't a supermarket. Next failed analogy...

i can go on and on but what it comes down to hatch paid someone for a webpage now that becomes his ( hatchs ) thus making him liable.

Must you go on and on? Ok well, suit yourself.

It makes Orrin Hatch obligated to remedy the mistake, it doesn't make him "liable". Please stop using legal terms you have no clue how to use correctly. If Orrin Hatch indeed paid someone for a webpage, providing a service for money places a distinctly higher standard of conduct on the one providing service for fee, to the mutual exclusion of the one receiving the service.

if you buy a stolen car and the police find out that you have it you are just out of luck the police come and take away the stolen car and you are left out your money and no car.

Great, when Orrin Hatch buys a stolen car let us know. Until then, I have no idea what receiving stolen merchandise or fraud has to do with this.

but since he is a republician he cant do no wrong in your eyes

Ah, but since he's a republican he can do no right in yours? Two can play that dumb game, but I'll leave the dumb stuff to you.

 

[konichiwa]

The only coverage this has received is from teenie bopper, anti-RIAA, and pro-piracy websites

How about Wired? Admittedly, it's a tech issue, but Wired is just about the biggest mainstream tech magazine out there and they covered it.

 

[HorizonSeeker]

he got coverage on CNN as well.

 

[tcsenter]

How about Wired? Admittedly, it's a tech issue, but Wired is just about the biggest mainstream tech magazine out there and they covered it.

lol! "About the biggest mainstream tech magazine" is like an oxymoron. How doth Wired get it wrong, let me count the ways...

The author of the Wired story lied about the addition or presence of a link to Milonic's website, claiming any links to Milonic were added after the controversy and gives a link to Google's cached pages as "proof". Except when you go to Google's cached pages, you find this in the source code (as I already pointed out in the other Hatch thread):

///////////////////////////////////
// Editable properties START here //
////////////////////////////////////

effect = "Fade(duration=0.3);Alpha(style=0,opacity=95);Shadow(color='Black', Direction=135, Strength=3);" // Special effect string for IE5.5 or above please visit http://www.milonic.co.uk/menu/filters_sample.php for more filters

That may not meet Milonic's licensing requirements, but it sure as hell is a link to Milonic.

I asked for "self-respecting" publications, please, not Tabloid Techie rags like Wired, The Inquirer.net, or Slate.com who don't quite understand the difference between 'commentary' and 'journalism' or believe "Star Trek: The Next Generation" is non-fiction.

he got coverage on CNN as well.

For his remarks in Congress, not for being an alleged 'software pirate' or 'copyright violator'.

 

[bigdog1218]

tcsenter are you president of the Orrin Hatch fan club, no matter what you say to defend him, this makes Hatch look like an idiot.

 

[tcsenter]

tcsenter are you president of the Orrin Hatch fan club, no matter what you say to defend him, this makes Hatch look like an idiot.

Sure, to the dimwitted, confused, or dishonest. I wouldn't expect anything else.