Organizations I support, and a note on why

Craig234

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For all the bickering here, I think one thing that might do a little good is 'awareness'.

So, here's a post on that.

I'm going to pick ten organizations I support - politically and have supported financially.

And a little note on why.

1. Amnesty International

It's in the interest of governments to repress dissent, often brutally, to control, to eliminate opposition to their agendas, and it's in the nature of citizens not to pay attention.

Some of the most wronged, most powerless people in need of help are these political prisoners, these human rights victims, and Amnesty International is a force for helping.

Honorable mention for the same reasons: Human Rights Watch

2. Just Detention, formerly Stop Prisoner Rape

Prisoner Rape is a far too wide occurance coming out of the mess prisons are with the sexual and power needs and structures, and prisoners are in little position to fix it.

It's a human disaster for this to be happening, and as a responsible society we have an obligation to ensure that even those who are being punished, and not being raped.

This organization has successfully lobbied for helpful reforms, more are needed.

3. The Center for Biological Diversity

The slogan on their mailer I got today is 'Extinct if Forever'. That says it. There are powerful commercial forces who care nothing about our biological diversity, and they need to be curtailed from the destruction they'd happily engage in. Our environment has no political representation but what our citizens choose to give.

4. The ACLU

The tension between rights and the mob is ongoing, and the ACLU is the group who pretty much everyone turns to when they are the ones being wronged.

Even Rush Limbaugh.

If the saying that those would give up essential liberties for a little security had a group, the ACLU is it. It's important we have them fighting corrupt power.

5. Corporate Accountability International

Corporation are very beneficial in many ways, and harmful in others - but they are quite powerful and able to prevent a lot of scrutiny of their harmful activities.

We need watchdogs as a society - that should be especially clear now in the light of the financial sector's activities.

6. Multiple progressive media products, such as salon.com

The citizens, as our founding fathers often noted, cannot rule the nation without good information, and that's why freedom of the press is in the first amendment.

We need to support the good products that inform the citizens of the issues.

Some key or good products: Harper's, The Atlantic, In These Times, Funny Times, www.commondreams.org...

Books by Naomi Klein, Thom Hartmann, David Cay Johnston, Paul Krugman, Michael Parenti, Greg Palast.

Documentaries, from the PBS series Frontline, to 60 Minutes, to the independant documentaries such as available from the monthly DVD Ironweed Films.

For example on salon.com, in my view the best blogged, Glenn Greenwald, is published.

Without sources like Salon and 60 Minutes, Abu Ghraib was just a 'liberal rumor'.

Honorary mention: "Project censored", who always find a lot of important, underreported stories.

For example, check out this story on Bush authorizing the seizure of assets of war opponents - real 'conservatives' should be concerned as well:

Link

7. American Friends Service Committee

Quaker-based group supporting peace for a long time.

There are trillions of profit in the military, and political power flows far more strongly towards war than towards peace, generally. We need groups who are for peace.

The militarization of our culture is strong, and needs those who try to reduce it.

8. Moveon.org

Theyhelp 'implement democracy', taking it out of just pretty words and helpiing the public have some organized power like the 'special interests' do.

It's a very democratic organization whose members choose the priorities.

The priorities this year are Universal Healthcare, Economy Recovery, building a green economy, and ending the war in Iraq.

9. The Democratic Party

For all its imperfections, it represents the public interest far better than the Republicans in my view, and is an essential force against the corruption of the concentrated power in our country - and there is a battle whether the Democratic Party will become further dominated by the same interests who have so thorougly dominated the Republicans, and we the public need to donate to prevent that from happening. The Democratic is the only viable political organization to stand in their way, in my view.

Until if and when money is removed from corrupting the system, the public is going to have to donate to be represented.

Giving $100 may seem expensive until you consider the hundreds of billions spent that we pay for when the other side gets its way, with the policies of the upward transfer of wealth.

I think I'll start with these and leave a spot for later addition.

I'm not looking for responses of 'I'm a long time Republican and I hate your peace group'. We have plenty of threads where your disagreement is known, and the 500th repititon of it adds little. However, if people want to comment more substantively on my picks, or to add their own preferences, that's in the spirit of the thread.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
moveon.org? :laugh:



DU member, huh?

Thanks for the utterly crap first response, without any value or substance. Hopefully things will improve with responses, and they can hardly go downhill.

As for DU, I've glanced at the site some time ago, but don't think I've seen it in the last year, so have no comment about it other than that, no surprise, your prediction is wrong.
 

RichardE

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So do you want us to comment on yours or list our own?

I will note, that for two people while disagree on many principles, many of our foundation type principles seem alike. Interesting.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
moveon.org? :laugh:



DU member, huh?

Thanks for the utterly crap first response, without any value or substance. Hopefully things will improve with responses, and they can hardly go downhill.

As for DU, I've glanced at the site some time ago, but don't think I've seen it in the last year, so have no comment about it other than that, no surprise, your prediction is wrong.

What do you want us to say? Nobody really cares.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
moveon.org? :laugh:



DU member, huh?

Thanks for the utterly crap first response, without any value or substance. Hopefully things will improve with responses, and they can hardly go downhill.

As for DU, I've glanced at the site some time ago, but don't think I've seen it in the last year, so have no comment about it other than that, no surprise, your prediction is wrong.

You felt free to post your support of a left-wing organization, I felt free to call you out on it.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
moveon.org? :laugh:



DU member, huh?

Thanks for the utterly crap first response, without any value or substance. Hopefully things will improve with responses, and they can hardly go downhill.

As for DU, I've glanced at the site some time ago, but don't think I've seen it in the last year, so have no comment about it other than that, no surprise, your prediction is wrong.

What do you want us to say? Nobody really cares.

For people who don't care about this topic, I'd like them to say niothing, not say they don't.

While I think you might be a good representative for "nobodies", you don't speak for all.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31

You felt free to post your support of a left-wing organization, I felt free to call you out on it.

I guess my consolation is having called the right-wing idiot behavior so exactly:

I'm not looking for responses of 'I'm a long time Republican and I hate your peace group'. We have plenty of threads where your disagreement is known, and the 500th repititon of it adds little.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Ocguy31

You felt free to post your support of a left-wing organization, I felt free to call you out on it.

I guess my consolation is having called the right-wing idiot behavior so exactly:

I'm not looking for responses of 'I'm a long time Republican and I hate your peace group'. We have plenty of threads where your disagreement is known, and the 500th repititon of it adds little.

What's next,you writing a letter saying "Democrat?" to the White House to call Obama on it?
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Ocguy31

You felt free to post your support of a left-wing organization, I felt free to call you out on it.

I guess my consolation is having called the right-wing idiot behavior so exactly:

I'm not looking for responses of 'I'm a long time Republican and I hate your peace group'. We have plenty of threads where your disagreement is known, and the 500th repititon of it adds little.

Ah, so you wanted an Echo-chamber where everyone was going to sit around the fire with the acoustic and sing.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: RichardE
So do you want us to comment on yours or list our own?

Either you like.

I will note, that for two people while disagree on many principles, many of our foundation type principles seem alike. Interesting.

I think politics is a lot less about people who want to torture small animals versus good guys, than it is about the oppressing misleading of ideology and other 'misunderstandings'.

I think most Americans, for example, who actually went to Gaza and got to know some people would likely return with a very different but better view - some pro and some con.

See magomago's thread just after mine for something like that occuring.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Ah, so you wanted an Echo-chamber where everyone was going to sit around the fire with the acoustic and sing.

I asked for substance, not an echo chamber. You're an idiot.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: RichardE
So do you want us to comment on yours or list our own?

Either you like.

I will note, that for two people while disagree on many principles, many of our foundation type principles seem alike. Interesting.

I think politics is a lot less about people who want to torture small animals versus good guys, than it is about the oppressing misleading of ideology and other 'misunderstandings'.

I think most Americans, for example, who actually went to Gaza and got to know some people would likely return with a very different but better view - some pro and some con.

See magomago's thread just after mine for something like that occuring.

Yeah, Magomago and I have both traveled to the same spots around there I think, though I might have spent more time here (in Israel specifically). We have different viewpoints on the politics of the region but both want the same thing more or less in the end (that being peace) and even though we can disagree vehemently we still seem to respect the others views. I come across this a lot it seems.

I just found it interesting since our views don't diverge on a single issue really but a range of issues to the point of ideologies, yet our core views remain the same. I've never looked at myself on the political spectrum and have been called everything for a Socialist to a Fascist, so it leads me to believe there must be a sort of belief that makes people chose a side above the core of there beliefs. Like, I believe in the ends justify the means in most cases, which might run against what you believe, yet would explain why our viewpoints are so different on certain topics even though we adhere to the same basic principles.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Ah, so you wanted an Echo-chamber where everyone was going to sit around the fire with the acoustic and sing.

I asked for substance, not an echo chamber. You're an idiot.

Basically you espoused your love for everything Left. There really isnt any "substance" that needs to be given.

At least you come out and admit it though. Cant say that about some people.


Oh, and the name calling hurts my e-feelings. I would appreciate it if you stopped.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: JS80
You left out 10. The Communist Party.

The communist party, who I have done little but rail against, becuase whatever its positve goals, whatever nuggets of truth or good it can do, it has consistently also led to a lack of the freedoms I support so strongly, not to mention taking elagitarianism way too far and harming the prosperity of all, eventually - that communist party?

But I guess to another idiot, that you can't discern much more than 'communist!'

For what it's worth, I think communists get some things right, and some big things wrong.

To seperate the theory from the examples, the examples of Stalin and Mao are so monstrous it's hard to understand.

The 'modern wonder' of China, with its communist-capitalist hybrid, I have strong concerns about in terms of the political rights and freedoms of the people under it.

On the other hand, it seems to me that Ho Chi Minh is quite a great figure insofar as leading his nation to freedom from its centuries-long colonization, amazingly defeating the most powerful militaries in the world with little more than peasants, after his efforts for decades to get freedom peacefully, even issuing a Declaration of Independance modelled on our own, which we spat on as we violated our own principles to oppose their freedom.
 

cwjerome

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My experience with The Center for Biological Diversity is 100% negative. REAL environmental groups are few and far between. The best ones tend to be small local-regional heritage/conservation type groups.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Ocguy31

You felt free to post your support of a left-wing organization, I felt free to call you out on it.

I guess my consolation is having called the right-wing idiot behavior so exactly:

I'm not looking for responses of 'I'm a long time Republican and I hate your peace group'. We have plenty of threads where your disagreement is known, and the 500th repititon of it adds little.

Ah, so you wanted an Echo-chamber where everyone was going to sit around the fire with the acoustic and sing.

Why don't you list what orgs you support so we can ridicule you too? Hmmmm, let me guess: NRA, OC GOP, Heritage Foundation, Trinity Broadcasting, Swift Boat Vets for Truth?

Am I close?

:laugh:

 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
My experience with The Center for Biological Diversity is 100% negative. REAL environmental groups are few and far between. The best ones tend to be small local-regional heritage/conservation type groups.

Well, I agree with their message for protecting biological diversity and opposign extinction, and welcome you explaining the negative experiences you have had.

I've seen estimates that half of all species are on track for extinction in the next century the way things are going.

link

We're now in the middle of the sixth mass extinction in the history of the world.

The last one, the fifth, was 65 million years ago, killing the dinosaurs, caused by an asteroid; the current one is related to man's activities.

Are your criticisms of them 'nit picky' or significant? Is there a better group who has the same cause you can recommend?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
My experience with The Center for Biological Diversity is 100% negative. REAL environmental groups are few and far between. The best ones tend to be small local-regional heritage/conservation type groups.

True, there are great groups out there but it seems to be that once they get bigger than local groups they become political and lose much of their original intentions or are co-opted by things outside their original scope.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Craig234
I'm going to pick ten organizations I support - politically and have supported financially.

I'd suggest for #10: The Electronic Freedom Foundation (EFF - www.eff.org)

An excellent suggestion - but I probably need to make this a top 20 list.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey


Why don't you list what orgs you support so we can ridicule you too? Hmmmm, let me guess: NRA, OC GOP, Heritage Foundation, Trinity Broadcasting, Swift Boat Vets for Truth?

Am I close?

:laugh:

Um, I support Trinity Broadcasting. Trinity Broadcasting kicks butt! Satan's butt. Whenever I see TBN I think "Somewhere in America, right now, is someone who considers himself/herself to be a devout, Bible-believin' Christian who is jumping up and down, veins bulging, screaming, sputtering, and cussing at the TV that what TBN is saying is not what the Bible says." That is such a happy thought that I can't help but like TBN, particularly their video vignettes of the anti-Christ.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: DealMonkey


Why don't you list what orgs you support so we can ridicule you too? Hmmmm, let me guess: NRA, OC GOP, Heritage Foundation, Trinity Broadcasting, Swift Boat Vets for Truth?

Am I close?

:laugh:

Um, I support Trinity Broadcasting. Trinity Broadcasting kicks butt! Satan's butt. Whenever I see TBN I think "Somewhere in America, right now, is someone who considers himself/herself to be a devout, Bible-believin' Christian who is jumping up and down, veins bulging, screaming, sputtering, and cussing at the TV that what TBN is saying is not what the Bible says." That is such a happy thought that I can't help but like TBN, particularly their video vignettes of the anti-Christ.

:laugh: