Organic alternative to plastic

tcsenter

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A while ago now, I was watching some show about 'amazing inventions' on [I believe] the Discovery Channel. There was some part time inventor/part time professor who developed a method of converting all sorts of organic waste into disposable plates, cups, and eating utensils. He used rice hulls, soybeans, stuff like that, mixed with cardboard, paper or wood pulp, all things commonly thrown out as waste, and using an organic binder (glue) he developed, pressed this pulp into plates, cups, forks, spoons, and knives at high pressures and temperatures.

After they cured, they were as resistant to breakage when dropped or crushed as plastic, had a shelf life of years, and could withstand being immersed in 160'F water for a minimum of one hour before beginning to degrade in strength or deforming. Within 24 hours at this temperature, they had degraded back into a lumpy pulp. When filled with cold or luke warm beverages, the cups would last all day.

Most people thought they were plastic when allowed to test these items. This organic 'plastic' was sanitary, which is always a concern with products containing a high organic content. In a moist and warm landfill, it would take them some time to break down; a few months vs. a few thousand years with plastic. He was reasonably confident that it could be mass produced at a reasonable cost that would be competitive, although not quite as cheap, as plastic.

I wonder what happened to the good professor and his idea? Think he went the way of the 100MPG carburetor? Some plastics company give him a pair of cement shoes for Christmas?

As a side note: the 100MPG carburetor is an urban legend. Oh sure, you can easily make a 100MPG carburetor, but it wouldn't sufficiently power anything heavier than a motorcycle. You can calculate the amount of energy that is available to be extracted from gasoline with a high degree of accuracy, and there is no way you can get 100MPG from a carburetor if it has to power something the size and weight of the average passenger car.
 

FoBoT

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whats wrong with plastic?
you want to live in a cave and eat dirt?
:confused:

i don't see what's wrong with using technology to make our lives better
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
whats wrong with plastic?
you want to live in a cave and eat dirt?
:confused:

i don't see what's wrong with using technology to make our lives better

Plastic would be OK if 100% of it was recycled. What is not recycled just doesn't 'go away' and clogs up the environment.

I agree with using technology. Plastic is OLD technology . . . new technology would be as described in the first post - like plastic but biodegradeable.

 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: apoppin


Plastic would be OK if 100% of it was recycled. What is not recycled just doesn't 'go away' and clogs up the environment.

i think new ideas/technology are fine, if they are commercially viable/cheap enough to replace the "old technology"

i don't see how plastic "clogs up the environment"
there isn't any plastic clogging up my yard or my city

lots of stuff , including plastic that get collected for recycling never gets re-used. if there isn't a market for "post-consumer" trash, then its just a big joke
 

RGN

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Originally posted by: Czar
I wish there were more scientists like that one, and that they would recieve more governmental funding

about that other thing
http://www.vwvortex.com/news/04_02/04_17/index.shtml

The centrally mounted one-cylinder SDI diesel engine is transversely installed in front of the rear axle, has a displacement of 299 cc and generates its maximum output (6.3 kW / 8.5 bhp) at 4,000 rpm. The maximum torque of 18.4 Newton metres is delivered at 2,000 rpm.

8.5bhp.. nice...
 

tcsenter

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about that other thing http://www.vwvortex.com/news/04_02/04_17/index.shtml
That is a neat vehicle, but it uses fuel injected diesel engine not a carbureted gasoline engine...and it is roughly the size and weight of a touring motorcyle (though far more aerodynamic). Still, at about 236 miles per gallon, it is an impressive feat.

However, the "tale" of the 100MPG carburetor is usually told in a way that implies this alleged carburetor would power the average family sedan with no significant difference in power. hehe...not quite.

Even this impressive and technical marvel of a VW powerplant only produces a rather uninspiring 8hp, which would result in painfully slow acceleration for even a touring motorcycle. Just trying to dispell the myth and misconception that it is possible to produce very high fuel economy internal combustion engines without a commensurate and drastic decrease in power production.
 

LaBang

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My school (UC Davis) is starting to use some compostable and degradeable forks, plates and utensils. There are a few companies using this stuff. Earthshell is the name that we use. The stuff is really great and only a little bit more expensive to buy (so little that cost wasn't an overriding factor). The only problem that i see is that most of it is still ending up in the trash (as opposed to being composted) but i guess that it is still good.

I have talked with the people in charge of the implementation and everyone is very impressed. Oddly enough, the government is the biggest purchaser of these eco-friendly products. Strange huh?
 

Rallispec

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pressed this pulp into plates, cups, forks, spoons, and knives at high pressures and temperatures.

makes me wonder how much extra pollutants are created in the manufacturing process of this 'envirnmentally freindly' plastic
 

tcsenter

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i think new ideas/technology are fine, if they are commercially viable/cheap enough to replace the "old technology"
There is already a market for environmentally friendly stuff, even if it costs more. I buy a host of environmentally conscious products that aren't as 'cheap' as their less friendly counterparts. Ever seen the price of 100% organically grown produce and meat compared with the chemical, antibiotic, and steroid laden stuff? Yet, it sells quite well.
i don't see how plastic "clogs up the environment" there isn't any plastic clogging up my yard or my city
Well there you have it. It ain't happening in my back yard so it must not be happening anywhere. You don't get out much, do you?

That is sort of a twist on the rationale of the chemical company executives: "Well, I don't get my water from this source, and neither does my family, we live far upstream in Grandiose FootHills Estates. Come to think of it, we all live upstream in Grandiose FootHills Estates. So I have no problem discharging our wastes and pollution here, anyone else have a problem with it?"

I think we've redefined the environmentalist creed: "Look locally...think globally."
 

MacBaine

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i don't see how plastic "clogs up the environment" , there isn't any plastic clogging up my yard or my city"

I think we have a bigger problem with idiots clogging up the environment...
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Talon

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Back in the 1930's, Henry Ford was manufacturing plastic auto body panels and other components, upholstery and even suits made from soybeans.
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