O'Reilly might be in some trouble

[Strk]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Sparky19692
The only way that I can see people getting upset about this type of leak is if in fact they are for late term abortion. Why is it that the clinics are not under criminal investigation?
If he stated on the air that he had information of a murder CNN would have never said a word for fear people would see how shallow and perverse they have become . What twisted and sick people are so against killing and jailing terrorist but with the same breath want to see innocent unborn children murdered?

Or they feel that medical records should be PRIVATE, regardless of what kind of ranting ideology they happen to hold dear. I realize this is a difficult concept for a lot of people, but some of us are able to actually put politics aside every so often and support something for its own sake. Bill O'Reilly, like yourself, has no such qualms...if it can be used to further an agenda, than to hell with any other considerations. That, I believe, is the definition of fanatic.

I was not around during the Rush Limbaugh drug investigation. But were you saying this when they Florida DA was trying to get a hold of Rush's medical records?
Or how about the leaked details about Rush and the bottle of Viagra? Is that also not private medial details?

Looks like some of the left have a double standard on this issue.

The Viagra was more of a case of customs releasing information.

 

[Jhhnn]

Spin it, ProfJohn...

The public has reasonable expectations of privacy in many realms- banking, communication, medicine... there's no contradiction in defending them, whether that's from the govt or from busybodies like O'Reilly.

The Rightwing has consistently adopted the attitude that the ends justify the means, particularly when they're off on one of their Crusades. That notion isn't just wrong, it's dangerous, an exercise in doublespeak threatening the basis of freedom itself. The means are the ends in a free society, a concept perhaps a little beyond the intellectual capacity of the usual authoritarian apologist...

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
God I love you guys!!!!!

The New York Times releases details about a top secret program to track the money of terrorists and keep us safe and you just ignore it.

But damn Bill ORielly to hell for getting details from some medial records!!! OMG what a threat to the country this is. We should lock him and everyone else at Fox News in jail until they tell us where the information came from.

New York Times releases details on the following programs:
Secret money tracking program
NSA program to listen in on terrorist phone calls
Classified NIE

Bill ORielly releases details on the following:
Abortion doctor performing late term abortions on women who are depressed Even thought the babies were nearly 100% to term and were completely viable outside the womb.
Doctor performs abortions for young teenage women who have been raped, and doctor refuses to release details of the abuse/rape to the authorities, even though state law requires it.

Now what is a greater threat to our country? ORielly and his moral crusade, or the New York Times and its never ending quest to embarrass Bush?

So, lets see what the differences are.


1. Right-wing Constitution-hating whackos potentially abusing rights and get a whistle blown.

2. Right-win Constitution-hating whackos potentially abusing rights out themselves and get busted for it.


Yup, seems like the same right-wing morons doing what they love, violating rights, trampling the Constitution, and invading privacy.

Great job!

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Sparky19692
The only way that I can see people getting upset about this type of leak is if in fact they are for late term abortion. Why is it that the clinics are not under criminal investigation?
If he stated on the air that he had information of a murder CNN would have never said a word for fear people would see how shallow and perverse they have become . What twisted and sick people are so against killing and jailing terrorist but with the same breath want to see innocent unborn children murdered?

Or they feel that medical records should be PRIVATE, regardless of what kind of ranting ideology they happen to hold dear. I realize this is a difficult concept for a lot of people, but some of us are able to actually put politics aside every so often and support something for its own sake. Bill O'Reilly, like yourself, has no such qualms...if it can be used to further an agenda, than to hell with any other considerations. That, I believe, is the definition of fanatic.

I was not around during the Rush Limbaugh drug investigation. But were you saying this when they Florida DA was trying to get a hold of Rush's medical records?
Or how about the leaked details about Rush and the bottle of Viagra? Is that also not private medial details?

Looks like some of the left have a double standard on this issue.

I came out strongly against Rush Limbaugh's medical records being turned over or made public at the time. Do a search, look it up, it was all over this forum. That said, I think the same of this case - medical records are private and if Phill Kline and Bill O'Reilly are in possession of them, they have some explaining to do.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
God I love you guys!!!!!

The New York Times releases details about a top secret program to track the money of terrorists and keep us safe and you just ignore it.

But damn Bill ORielly to hell for getting details from some medial records!!! OMG what a threat to the country this is. We should lock him and everyone else at Fox News in jail until they tell us where the information came from.

New York Times releases details on the following programs:
Secret money tracking program
NSA program to listen in on terrorist phone calls
Classified NIE

Bill ORielly releases details on the following:
Abortion doctor performing late term abortions on women who are depressed Even thought the babies were nearly 100% to term and were completely viable outside the womb.
Doctor performs abortions for young teenage women who have been raped, and doctor refuses to release details of the abuse/rape to the authorities, even though state law requires it.

Now what is a greater threat to our country? ORielly and his moral crusade, or the New York Times and its never ending quest to embarrass Bush?

Your first point was made public by someone you hold near and dear to your heart.....GWB himself. He stated, shortly after 9-11 that they would be targeting financial records of those that are suspected of terrorist ties. The fact that they were data mining ALL records of EVERYONE is just an extension of the information that Bush, himself, "leaked". Maybe you should be calling for his prosecution as well?

Your second red herring is that O'Reilly's crime was small enough that it should be ignored. Maybe we should have the police stop enforcing traffic laws all together. Or maybe the right-wing machine can just issue and edict that states that anything that is less than a felony is now morally acceptable.

Thirdly, the NSA wasn't just listening to terrorists calls ILLEGALLY. They were violating the constitutional rights of ALL AMERICANS in YADME (yet another data mining episode).

Your fourth point is yet another strawman. IF the AG had evidence that a crime was committed, such as a late-term abortion against the laws of the state or country, then he has a moral, ethical and LEGAL obligation to get an indictment against the doctor and follow the judicial procedures put in place in this country centuries ago.

Your fifth point is yet another talking point without any common sense applied to it. The doctor is LEGALLY obligated to report the crime to the police if he is made aware of it. If he doesn't and the AG has the evidence to prove this once again, then it is the AG's responsibility to bring formal charges against the doctor. Why didn't he ever do that? I'm guessing that, with his moral compass so freaking magnatized towards the abortion crusade he is on....the he was/is looking as far and wide to get anything he can against this doctor or any other to get them to stop performing them so that he can sleep at night. And when he came up empty in digging through the records, he decided to go on a PR blitz to discredit this doctor and procedure and found a willing accomplice in Bill-O.

The fact that none of that has happened means that you are falling over yourself to defend talking points, hyperbole and pure fabrications because they fit into your warped sense of how the world should mold itself through your moral goggles.

Edit: Deleted inflammatory remark that didn't need to be in the post.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Another dig into sources? Havent we gone into this before, asking journalists to give up their sources?

I could be wrong, but it seems we'vfe been down this road before.......Someone clue me in if I'm wrong.....

Yes, we know...it's obviously some BIG last minute liberal conspiracy as a last gasp attempt to keep from losing both houses (again). :roll:

What I'm implying is the fact its always "good for the goose, bad for the gander". When Party A has some OHH AHH secret Party B screams they have to know where the leak came from. And its as much vice versa. Neither party is exempt for crying for sources when the news doesnt benefit them.

I wish there was a set in stone standard that was acceptable to everyone, which allowed protection of sources while still being able to maintain accountability.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
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Now what is a greater threat to our country? ORielly and his moral crusade, or the New York Times and its never ending quest to embarrass Bush?

Point 1, It is the job of the press to critique the government, deal with it.
Point 2, dumbya does a fantastic job of embarassing himself, he needs no outside help
Point 3, maybe the NYT will stop when dumbya stops doing embarassing things
Point 4, and the most important point, when will dumbya stop his never ending quest to embarass the USA?

 

[Pens1566]

If you really want to make Prof disappear from the thread, just mention that the SWIFT effort wasn't secret. W himself said we're doing it, they had a website for it and a newsletter. Whoops, I just did mention it.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
God I love you guys!!!!!

Sterotype much? :roll:

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
God I love you guys!!!!!

The New York Times releases details about a top secret program to track the money of terrorists and keep us safe and you just ignore it.

But damn Bill ORielly to hell for getting details from some medial records!!! OMG what a threat to the country this is. We should lock him and everyone else at Fox News in jail until they tell us where the information came from.

New York Times releases details on the following programs:
Secret money tracking program
NSA program to listen in on terrorist phone calls
Classified NIE

Bill ORielly releases details on the following:
Abortion doctor performing late term abortions on women who are depressed Even thought the babies were nearly 100% to term and were completely viable outside the womb.
Doctor performs abortions for young teenage women who have been raped, and doctor refuses to release details of the abuse/rape to the authorities, even though state law requires it.

Now what is a greater threat to our country? ORielly and his moral crusade, or the New York Times and its never ending quest to embarrass Bush?

What does your diversion have to do with O'Reilly?

 

[z57nick]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
God I love you guys!!!!!




Your first point was made public by someone you hold near and dear to your heart.....GWB himself. He stated, shortly after 9-11 that they would be targeting financial records of those that are suspected of terrorist ties. The fact that they were data mining ALL records of EVERYONE is just an extension of the information that Bush, himself, "leaked". Maybe you should be calling for his prosecution as well?

Your second red herring is that O'Reilly's crime was small enough that it should be ignored. Maybe we should have the police stop enforcing traffic laws all together. Or maybe the right-wing machine can just issue and edict that states that anything that is less than a felony is now morally acceptable.

Thirdly, the NSA wasn't just listening to terrorists calls ILLEGALLY. They were violating the constitutional rights of ALL AMERICANS in YADME (yet another data mining episode).

Your fourth point is yet another strawman. IF the AG had evidence that a crime was committed, such as a late-term abortion against the laws of the state or country, then he has a moral, ethical and LEGAL obligation to get an indictment against the doctor and follow the judicial procedures put in place in this country centuries ago.

Your fifth point is yet another talking point without any common sense applied to it. The doctor is LEGALLY obligated to report the crime to the police if he is made aware of it. If he doesn't and the AG has the evidence to prove this once again, then it is the AG's responsibility to bring formal charges against the doctor. Why didn't he ever do that? I'm guessing that, with his moral compass so freaking magnatized towards the abortion crusade he is on....the he was/is looking as far and wide to get anything he can against this doctor or any other to get them to stop performing them so that he can sleep at night. And when he came up empty in digging through the records, he decided to go on a PR blitz to discredit this doctor and procedure and found a willing accomplice in Bill-O.

The fact that none of that has happened means that you are falling over yourself to defend talking points, hyperbole and pure fabrications because they fit into your warped sense of how the world should mold itself through your moral goggles.

Edit: Deleted inflammatory remark that didn't need to be in the post.

 

[z57nick]

Could you reference your assertions that

The fact that they were data mining ALL records of EVERYONE is just an extension of the information that Bush, himself, "leaked". " ?

I am doing a paper and I could not find any hard evidence other than rhetoric in the news. ALL records of EVERYONE? Hmmm? How ever did they manage? I am so glad Al Gore invented the internet; I am sure that is the only way this can be solved!

: o )

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Genx87
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Edit: btw this is a classic example of why people are tuning out the MSM. The title on the main page states "Probe urged after Bill O'Reilly gets abortion records". Then the article never states or proves he got the records. Only that somebody tipped his show off and now the clinics want a probe.

Perhaps you and I live in different realities, but getting information about the doctor performing or not performing abortions sounds a lot like abortion records to me.

THIS is a perfect example of why people think the media is liberal...that's what they WANT to believe, so everything they hear is twisted into some sort of biased statement that the rest of us just can't seem to see. When you have to engage in semantic hairsplitting to try and prove your point, it tends to lead me to believe you simply don't have one. Yes, perhaps the title could have mislead some people...but only if they didn't read the article, which makes it very clear who had what. But I'm curious, what would your "unbiased" title have said? "Probe urged after Bill O'Reilly talks about abortions that he found out about from a source"? A little long for a title, which is why stories ALSO have bodies.

Face it, the only bias here is yours.

I never agree with you!!
bUT this time you are right on the money!!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: DishonestJohn
God I love you guys!!!!!

The New York Times releases details about a top secret program to track the money of terrorists and keep us safe and you just ignore it.

Last night, on the "Worst Person In The World" segment of his MS-NBC show, "Countdown," Keith Olbermann named O'Reilly runner up:

Our Silver tonight, to Bill-O. Talk about stupidest you?ve ever done. He went on air Friday and explained to his audience that a ?source inside? had told him that a particular doctor in Kansas performs late term abortions when the patient is depressed. He named the doctor. Small problem, after a two year fight to get them, the attorney general of Kansas received the private abortion records of that doctor last month. The doctor wants a special prosecutor now to investigation who leaked the confidential records to O?Reilly.

Got to be some way to blame this on the New York Times.

You can't see the difference between legitimate whistle blowing in the public interest and releasing info about an individual's medical records? :roll:

DishonestJohn -- You're such a pathetic loser, but I can't help LMFAO at you for making Olbermann a prophet of the first order. :laugh: