Oregon state senate republicans walk out, one threatens to kill police if forced to return

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MtnMan

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They do what all cowards do, they have a tantrum then run and hide.
 

Vic

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how has that police chief not been fired and jailed?
That's the best part IMO. He resigned over allegations of drinking on the job before the shit hit the fan on this, and walked away with full pension benefits and a $125k severance payment.
 
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Jhhnn

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That's the best part IMO. He resigned over allegations of drinking on the job before the shit hit the fan on this, and walked away with full pension benefits and a $125k severance payment.

He's a peach, huh? Googling his name yielded this-

 

dawp

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what a lovely bunch of keystone cops

The case file includes a raft of racist and crude text messages between West Linn police and Fesser’s boss at the time, aimed at Fesser and others. The West Linn detective who led the investigation against Fesser deleted the offensive texts from his phone and claimed they weren’t of a racist or homophobic nature, but they were found on another phone, according to the records.
 

dawp

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ewdotson

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Rural America seems to hate Democrats. If I were a party activist knowing what I know, which is maybe why I am not a party activist, I would want to do something about that. I would make it my job to understand rural people and their needs and why they feel that Republicans serve them better. Then, once I had some real understanding of their issues and the degree to which those issues are real, that is to say morally proper to have, I would tailor legislation that, after another process of deep study, might serve them without doing injustice to somebody else, if any such solutions could be found. In shout, I would put the priorities of those who stand in the way of progressive politics first on my list and build a legislative case which demonstrates a progressive attempt to include them. I would patiently attempt to create a reality that actually serves them as it attempts tpo serve everybody else and then tout with an aim to educate that the Democratic party is where you want to be if you are a Rural American. Sadly, I believe that Ocean side Americans are brain dead when it comes to understanding or much caring about anybody else. We can't live on coffee and marijuana.

You can go to war with those who beat rural war drums, or you can pull the rug out from under their feet.

Sadly, the left is brain defective and will never see this. The best they will come up with is rubes and hicks.
Your theory doesn't really have anything to do with reality. Democrats *do* put forth policy to help rural communities, and generally do a better job of it than Republicans. The best evidence is that there are significant swathes of the country that don't really make their political decisions based on policy.

Example of a Democratic candidate on rural communities:

 

zinfamous

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is this real? These nobs only make 22k a year? Thats the problem. What kind of person will you attract to that job?

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A lot of state legislators only meet once per year to decide, work on, and vote through their annual agenda. I think it's usually a 2 week-to-1 month period? So, per hour, their salaries are really freaking high.

I guess they are "working throughout the year," but the times when they are gathered in the capital to argue and vote (like US Congress generally does throughout the year) is very limited.
 

IronWing

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We used to have a legislator in Arizona who would speed like a bat out of hell to Phoenix for the legislative sessions. He's tell the popo to f' off, he was on business. Arizona law (constitution?) includes a provision precluding the arrest, detention, or impediment of any legislator making his/her way to a session. The provision was designed to prevent shenanigans against legislators who might vote contrary to what some might like. The butthead was a butthead but he was also within the law. As perks go, it was a pretty good one.
 

Moonbeam

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Your theory doesn't really have anything to do with reality. Democrats *do* put forth policy to help rural communities, and generally do a better job of it than Republicans. The best evidence is that there are significant swathes of the country that don't really make their political decisions based on policy.

Example of a Democratic candidate on rural communities:

Your theory doesn't really have anything to do with reality. Democrats *do* put forth policy to help rural communities, and generally do a better job of it than Republicans. The best evidence is that there are significant swathes of the country that don't really make their political decisions based on policy.

Example of a Democratic candidate on rural communities:

Perhaps I should make it clear that I have not the slightest doubt that any democrat would be better for rural America than any Republican. My issues revolve around issues, who is saying what the the American people, who has a message that has meaning, that is central to our core problem in this country. The issue I see is that Democracy is dead, that the government is owned by the one 1% and we will have rural policy in this country regardless of which party is in power exactly as that 1% desires, not as any democrat may preach or promise the public. Only progressives talk about that and Sanders is not the leading progressive. Nothing will change if the American people fail to take back their government by revolution. The only change we need is revolutionary and Sanders speaks exactly and most precisely to that. No promise of change will really matter if that one doesn't happen first. Democracy is dead so farmers are dead along with the rest of us. The focus you give to the real evil in this country is everything, in my opinion. And that evil really isn't Trump, it's that a few people own almost everything and do what it takes to keep it that way. Americans are asleep and they need an alarm clock not a farm policy that will never get past the Senate and would change nothing fundamental even if it did.
 

kage69

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Paying that little is a recipe for graft and corruption. What would it cost to pay them twice that, 2 cents per taxpayer in the state?

While I don't disagree with that, I also don't feel that higher wages confer an automatic increase in ethics and integrity.

Sure more money could help alleviate the need to resolve debts, support lifestyles, etc from people, but there will always be crooks like Trump. Wealthy, under no hardship, yet can't help himself from dipping into kid's cancer charities, or directing US military and diplomatic services to frequent his properties - passing an inflated bill to the taxpayer that dipshit cashes. Human colostomy bags like Trump will always look to enrich themselves.

Seems like passing a no nonsense law or two would be quicker and cheaper for Oregon. Having said that, the state is also big enough to support a pain free method to give out raises I would think. Hrmm, about 2.6million taxpayers in OR. So at $0.02 we're talking an extra $130k for about 90 people. That would be a start.
 

woolfe9998

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While I don't disagree with that, I also don't feel that higher wages confer an automatic increase in ethics and integrity.

Sure more money could help alleviate the need to resolve debts, support lifestyles, etc from people, but there will always be crooks like Trump. Wealthy, under no hardship, yet can't help himself from dipping into kid's cancer charities, or directing US military and diplomatic services to frequent his properties - passing an inflated bill to the taxpayer that dipshit cashes. Human colostomy bags like Trump will always look to enrich themselves.

Seems like passing a no nonsense law or two would be quicker and cheaper for Oregon. Having said that, the state is also big enough to support a pain free method to give out raises I would think. Hrmm, about 2.6million taxpayers in OR. So at $0.02 we're talking an extra $130k for about 90 people. That would be a start.

The point is that low salaries increase the likelihood of graft and corruption, not that a higher salary is a guarantee against it.

Trump is a scummier piece of garbage than even most corrupt pols. He's a pathological narcissist. Which in his case makes his behavior inevitable regardless of circumstances. There are others who will do corrupt things only in certain situations.
 
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