Oregon state senate republicans walk out, one threatens to kill police if forced to return

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zinfamous

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every one of those GOP legislators deserves impeachment, jail, and possible capital punishment for a select few of them.
 

zinfamous

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No, it's not odd. It's been part of our country's laws since the founding. It's part of the federal constitution for precisely the same reason as here - that otherwise members could destroy the government's ability to do the people's work. Article 1, section 5:



These people are public officials and government employees. There are lots of cases where government employees can be compelled to come to work.

Apparently this is some of the stuff that never makes it into those pocket constitutions that all the "true patriots" carry around.
 

Moonbeam

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I think if the others expelled him from their caucus, sanctioned him in some way, whatever that would be a significantly mitigating factor. To the best of my knowledge not a single republican has done this.
Oh, there is no doubt we are dealing with a huge selective bias, Republicans circling the wagons, ignoring the lawlessness of one of their members and that it is inexcusable bad behavior, but I think that phenomenon is not identical to the actual threatening of violence itself.

So I think the focus should emphasize that that Republicans will turn a blind eye if Trump shoots somebody on the street, the willingness to enabling rather than the likelihood of the shooting.

It seems to me that the degeneracy within the R Party should focus more on their willingness to tolerate criminal behavior, apparently universal, rather than on implying they are all engaged in other criminal actions.
 

Moonbeam

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PS: I think it would make more sense to acknowledge the validity of the point Greenman made before moving on to the elements he misses by applying it narrowly.
 

fskimospy

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PS: I think it would make more sense to acknowledge the validity of the point Greenman made before moving on to the elements he misses by applying it narrowly.

I respectfully disagree and I'm not going to address it any further as it's a pointless distraction. It's pretty telling that in his writing on this subject the fact that legislators can be compelled to attend got several posts, plural vs. singular got several posts, and death threats against police got one sentence of 'whatever'.
 
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BoomerD

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IIRC, The Oregon Dems walked out a few years ago. None of them threatened to kill any State Police who were sent to retrieve them...

Couldn't this guy be charged with making terrorist threats?
 

DarthKyrie

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Just another day for the GOP. Laws are for those evil Demonrats, the GOP are SAINTS and only wants what's best for the richest among us.
 

Stryke1983

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A senator threatens to murder police officers if they attempt to force him to follow the law. But Greenman thinks the real tragedy is that senators aren't allowed to create a tyranny of the minority via fleeing the state to stop any bills being passed that they don't like. If that's not a prime example of partisan bias then I don't know what is.

In general, I'm a fan of removing politicians and holding special elections to replace them whenever they refuse to do their jobs. With their pay being suspended from the outset and any post term benefits being forfeited or pro rated for the time they actually served.
 

kage69

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This is what happens when you elect Tarp Man. I hope for his family's sake it doesn't have a similar ending.
 

ImpulsE69

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This to me shows a big gap with our government process.

Firstly, if they want a vote they should be there. If they flee or refuse to vote too bad, they lose their opportunity to vote and their voters can kick them from their position.
Secondly, anyone suggesting force such as this guy, should be stripped of his position and jailed. If he tries any 'temporary insanity' bs, then throw him in the loony bin.
 
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Maybe they should make it illegal to flee the state when a vote is required. As in you give up your position and are now a criminal on the run :D
 

BoomerD

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IIRC, the Dems in Ory-gun did something similar several years ago, fut funny enough, I don't remember any of them making threats against the Ory-gun State Po-Po..

I don't LIKE legislators doing this...seems like they're giving up their right to vote...and abandoning their jobs...but, sadly, it's not the first time it's happened...nor will it be the last.
 

ImpulsE69

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And it shouldn't be tolerated. Forfeit the vote and make it very well known exactly who decided they weren't going to vote and let the voters handle it.
 

GodisanAtheist

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This is the kind of thing that needs to go into ads across the country in 2020. Remind people that the best judge of character is the friends a man keeps.

"A vote for the GOP anywhere is a vote for the GOP everywhere"

If the Dems have a solid candidate without the kind of name recognition to take on an entrenched Pub, make it about the behavior of the whole GOP party in recent years and make sure even the little stuff like this makes it in front of voters everywhere in the US.

This guy's base is the Eastern Oregon Sovereign staters, and his comment is only going to win him cred with that crowd, but make sure everyone else hears a GOP rep threatening violence against police officers so hopefully they think twice...
 

Jhhnn

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I think the one making threats should be tossed out of office and punished as whatever the law states...

But politicians leaving a state to delay and obstruct the passing of a law happens on both sides of the coin.

https://www.npr.org/2011/02/17/133847336/wis-democratic-lawmakers-flee-to-prevent-vote

I'm sure it's as old as the Republic. It's a last ditch tactic to obtain concessions. They always come back unless they can run past the end of their term of office.

Threatening to shoot State Police puts a whole different flavor on it, huh? So much for Law & Order Republicanism.
 

glenn1

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Has this tactic ever worked? Didn’t when Dems did in Wisconsin, didn’t when they did in Texas, it’s probably happened either times I’ve forgotten and didn’t work, and it doesn’t seem it will work here.