Oregon state senate republicans walk out, one threatens to kill police if forced to return

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fskimospy

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That doesn't matter. You keep saying republicans, them, and they. That's an attempt to include all of them and it's not true, it's just one.
Whatever action is taken against the fellow for his stupid remarks is another matter.

Are you fucking kidding me. Did realibrad take over your account?

Stop deflecting with stupid pedantic nonsense because you don't want to admit that conservatives have gone off the rails yet again.
 

kage69

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That doesn't matter. You keep saying republicans, them, and they. That's an attempt to include all of them and it's not true, it's just one.
Whatever action is taken against the fellow for his stupid remarks is another matter.


I like how you accuse others of painting with a broad brush, right after you did it yourself by ignoring the politician specific element here and going with "citizens." You really do watch a lot of Fox, don't you?
 
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Greenman

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Except that citizen is a gov't employee.
I assume you mean "isn't". So that's the standard we're using? Government employee? The teachers in a city around here are out on strike, you'd be ok the the police rounding them up and putting them in their class rooms?
 

SMOGZINN

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You don't find it a little odd that the state police can pick up a citizen, and take him/her to work by force? That's a normal thing to you? If your boss could do that you'd be good with it?

There are all sorts of jobs where a person can be compelled to work. They know when they take the job that they can be compelled to work. Just like all of us that were compelled to work when Trump decided to not pay us for a month.
 
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fskimospy

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Think of it like a soldier deserting his post.

When they took their oath they signed on for the responsibilities that come with that oath, same as in the military or other government jobs.

It's not like this was a mystery, it's been part of the Oregon constitution for 160 years. If they didn't want to have a job where they could be compelled to come to work they could have not raised money for a campaign, filed to run for office, campaigned for months, won the election, and elected to take their oath of office. The fact that they think they are entitled to murder people for making them follow their oaths says a lot.

https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/Pages/OrConst.aspx

Section 12. Quorum; failure to effect organization.
Two thirds of each house shall constitute a quorum to do business, but a smaller number may meet; adjourn from day to day, and compel the attendance of absent members. A quorum being in attendance, if either house fail to effect an organization within the first five days thereafter, the members of the house so failing shall be entitled to no compensation from the end of the said five days until an organization shall have been effected.
 

Greenman

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Are you fucking kidding me. Did realibrad take over your account?

Stop deflecting with stupid pedantic nonsense because you don't want to admit that conservatives have gone off the rails yet again.
I'm not deflecting at all, I'm objecting to the clear misstatement of the facts you're using.
Were you as upset when the democrats "went off the rails" and did the exact same thing?

The entire episode is foolish in my eye's. First, that Oregon thinks that they can do anything that will in any way affect the climate, and second, that the republicans think they can stop the process by running away with their ball so no one else can play. This is stupid squared. Ordering the police to find them and force them back to work add's an icing of absurdity that I find to be nothing short of ludicrous.
 

kage69

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Perhaps people who refuse to do their Job should just lose their Job....

I'd be fine with that. Seems to be pretty common at most jobs if you don't show up for work.

If the indignant find their feels more important than their careers, that is entirely up to them, but I would suggest going about leaving in a less abrasive manner. I'd say violating your oath of office counts as burning bridges.
 

fskimospy

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I'm not deflecting at all, I'm objecting to the clear misstatement of the facts you're using.
Were you as upset when the democrats "went off the rails" and did the exact same thing?

Odd, I don't remember Democrats issuing death threats against anyone trying to enforce the law. Can you provide links?

The entire episode is foolish in my eye's. First, that Oregon thinks that they can do anything that will in any way affect the climate, and second, that the republicans think they can stop the process by running away with their ball so no one else can play. This is stupid squared.

Looks like a pretty good law on Oregon's part. More importantly it can serve as a model for future legislation in other states or federally. Every little bit helps after all and we're going to need all the help we can get after years of doing nothing.

Ordering the police to find them and force them back to work add's an icing of absurdity that I find to be nothing short of ludicrous.

Why? I looked into it an it is part of every state constitution I looked at and it's been part of the federal constitution from the beginning. Do you think the founders were acting 'ludicrous' when they added in the ability to compel the attendance of members?
 

fleshconsumed

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You don't find it a little odd that the state police can pick up a citizen, and take him/her to work by force? That's a normal thing to you? If your boss could do that you'd be good with it?
I would agree with your point if the representatives who refused to do their jobs could be automatically fired. Since they cannot, a reasonable compromise is expectation that they will do their job, even if it's under threat of force.

If they don't want do their job they can resign. Since they refuse to resign, the state has right to compel them to do their job.
 

dainthomas

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Typical law and order Republicans

I remember the outrage when Dems left Wisconsin for Illinois a few years ago. Lots of cries of "just do your job!!"

I definitely don't remember anyone threatening the cops who went after them.
 

fskimospy

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Guys it was only one death threat against police trying to enforce the law, chill out.
 

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I find the fact that the Governor can order a senator back to work under threat of force to be a far more interesting story than them leaving town.

As it is in the Constitution, most likely to prevent this abdication of responsibility, and has been used in other states. But neither the Republicans leaving or the Governor exercising their Constitutional authority is the issue of this thread, one you didn't mention, and that is the threat of lethal force by a member by an elected official. It won't happen but that person has made a terroristic threat, should be charged and prosecuted and the legal remedy applied.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Were you as upset when the democrats "went off the rails" and did the exact same thing?

I missed where a Democrat threatened LEO with death when they were lawfully ordered to bring them back. Citation please.
 

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All of this Republican fear and threatening behavior comes from these folk being terrorized as children via physical threats and verbal intimidation. Any ideas that challenge their concentration camp conformists rigid discipline and their Stockholm conversion at self policing is a threat that would awaken memories that they are emotionally dead. It is the fear of death, of remembering having long ago been killer, that makes them threaten violence.
 

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I find the fact that the Governor can order a senator back to work under threat of force to be a far more interesting story than them leaving town.

I'm going to ignore your wording because to respond to it would require pointing things about you personally.

You find it interesting that legislators are doing that whole "Law thing"?
"Oregon’s constitution allows the majority party to “compel” the attendance of absent members of the legislature. "
How else do you follow state law and enforce it?
Can you think of any state level organizations that would be used to enforce law and then specifically provide the mechanism that lawmakers would use enforce the following.

(1)The President of the Senate, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, or the chairperson or vice chairperson of any of the legislative committees referred to in ORS 171.505 (Administering oaths or affirmations to witnesses) upon a majority vote of any such committee, may issue any processes necessary to compel the attendance of witnesses and the production of any books, papers, records or documents as may be required.

(2)Process may be served by a sergeant-at-arms of either house when the Legislative Assembly is in session or by a person authorized to serve summons and in the manner prescribed for the service of a summons upon a defendant in a civil action in a circuit court. The process shall be returned to the authority issuing it within 10 days after its delivery to the person for service, with proof of service as for summons or that the person cannot be found. When served outside of the county in which the process originated, the process may be returned by mail. The person to whom the process is delivered shall indorse thereon the date of delivery. [Formerly 171.076; 1973 c.827 §21; 1977 c.877 §16; 1979 c.284 §117]
 

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Guys it was only one death threat against police trying to enforce the law, chill out.
Personally, I think that should be a part of the calculation. Without some sense of proportion, the level of which can be debated, a single mad man could threaten the sanity of the whole human race.
 

trenchfoot

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Ahhhh yes, it's the 'ol stand yer ground "Yuh try tuh take me in, see what you get fer try'in! Guh'head! Ah dare yuh's!!" Old West frontiersman attitude. How quaint.

A calculated risk at dramatizing the incident for attracting more attention to self and to party so as to rabble rouse the militias into action thereby hopefully causing a nationwide sympathy movement against those who wish to make our air cleaner, our water not poisonous and our land more livable for our children and their descendants.

This silliness where a civil war is called for to decide if we should have cleaner air and water or more profits for the corporate crooks is..............silly.


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fskimospy

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Personally, I think that should be a part of the calculation. Without some sense of proportion, the level of which can be debated, a single mad man could threaten the sanity of the whole human race.

I think if the others expelled him from their caucus, sanctioned him in some way, whatever that would be a significantly mitigating factor. To the best of my knowledge not a single republican has done this.
 

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Ahhhh yes, it's the 'ol stand yer ground "Yuh try tuh take me in, see what you get fer try'in! Guh'head! Ah dare yuh's!!" Old West frontiersman attitude. How quaint.

A calculated risk at dramatizing the incident for attracting more attention to self and to party so as to rabble rouse the militias into action thereby hopefully causing a nationwide sympathy movement against those who wish to make our air cleaner, our water not poisonous and our land more livable for our children and their descendants.

This silliness where a civil war is needed to decide if we should have cleaner air and water or more profits for the corporate crooks is..............silly.
All fun and games until one of their acolytes takes a few shots at a cop, resulting in a goddamn bloodbath and a bunch of dead civilians. Every one of them should have their senatorial positions revoked.