Oregon one step closer to self-service gas

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Hey you whiners, here's an idea: DON'T BUY GAS WHEN IT'S RAINING. My God, you act like it rains 365 days out of there year.

Uh, it pretty much does. Move here and you'll see for yourself.

And Wingznut, amen. Oregon's economy isn't doing so great already. Another thousand people on unemployment is something we don't need.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
self-serve = cheaper gas. nuff said.

I challenge you to prove it. I don't believe there's any truth to that statement whatsoever. And actually, check out LeeTJ's post above... "how do you say PREMIUM. I live in NJ. gas here is cheaper than ALL the neighboring states, so how can you conclude that having Full Service has made the gas more epensive?"

And if you believe that a lower overhead automatically equates to lower prices to the consumer, then I suggest you take an economics class.


For those who say that they want the "choice"... If OR were to allow self-serve, there would be no "choice" then, either. EVERY gas station would go self-serve, firing hundreds (thousands?) of employees around the state. Sure, you'd have the "choice" to pay significantly higher for full serve, but that's not really a "choice."

Since when have you guys been in favor of the government causing jobs to be lost? I thought the goal was to actually lower unemployment?

All the gas stations in OR will not change to self-serve. I am sure there are plenty of people in OR like you who are too dainty to pump their own gas. Plus this law still requires stations to have folks on hand to pump gas for the elderly and handicapped. So I'm sure there will be plenty of stations keeping full service as an option for everyone. And I'm sure stations that go to being otherwise completely self service will be the minority by a good margin. What do you think those stations will have to do to bring in customers that would otherwise go to full serve stations? Lower their gas prices maybe? Competition and choice are never bad for the consumer. And I challenge you to prove that you are not ALREADY paying more for full service. That money has to come from somewhere. This is a good thing, for consumers and station owners. The only people it would possibly hurt are the gas pumpers who get laid off (and I don't doubt there will be some) who are only skilled enough to get jobs pumping gas. Maybe they will take their ass back to school, get a job where they'll actually make enough to pay taxes on, and contribute something to the economy instead of being a drain.

 

[Pepsi90919]

'figure out self-serve'.. lmao.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Gonad the BarbarianAnd I challenge you to prove that you are not ALREADY paying more for full service.

I don't know if this is how it works in other states but I know two station owners and they've both told me that it's the distribution company that sets the prices at the pump. That's why when gas stations start price gouging (durring summmer for example) you don't see one keeping the price at something actually fair. Because if they did <gas Nazi> No gas for you!<gas Nazi>. So do you really think it matters if the opperating costs are lower since it's not the station owners setting the pump price anyway? I doubt it.

Edit: One more thing. If everyone had a four year degree who the hell would pump your gas, flip your burgers, pick up your trash, etc. You seem to think that if everyone in this country was a college grad (or at least had some extended schooling) we'd all be better off. If you thought about that for two seconds or so you'd see how bad that could really be for us. Truth is we need people that never did crap with their lives.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Truth is we need people that never did crap with their lives.

I agree, we do need those people. We do not, however, need them pumping gas when there are so many other menial tasks out there most people are unwilling to do. Cook me a burger, deliver my paper, pick-up my garbage, but I can pump my gas myself.

 

[Wingznut]

Yes, there would still be stations that have both self and full serve. However, the full serve would be significantly more expensive. (At least, that's what I've seen in other states), so they certainly wouldn't need the staffing they do now.

And even still, how many jobs would now be gone? Portland Public Schools just cut 10 days from their school year, due to budget issues. Last November, they released over 140 inmates due to budget issues. Police have been laid off. Yes, our govt is really screwed up and completely upside down when it comes to the budget. No need to get me started, there. But this certainly would not help any.

I know! Let's remove more state income by cutting jobs! That'll fix everything! Oh wait, then they can raise taxes, stating the loss of revenue! WooHOO!!!

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Truth is we need people that never did crap with their lives.

I agree, we do need those people. We do not, however, need them pumping gas when there are so many other menial tasks out there most people are unwilling to do. Cook me a burger, deliver my paper, pick-up my garbage, but I can pump my gas myself.

I don't know if you've been paying attention... But I'm pretty sure we have the largest jobless rate in the nation. So what, you ask?

Well, that means that there AREN'T "other menial tasks out there most people are unwilling to do." There aren't many jobs available to anyone at any level around here, these days.

I say we keep the jobs that we do have.

 

[Vic]

Bah! Pay attention to the laws in your own states and leave Oregon alone... damn, sometimes I wish we could secede...

 

[draggoon01]

so how much does a gallon of each type of gas cost in oregon right now?

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Right around $1.70 give or take a few cents. In my area anyway.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Right around $1.70 give or take a few cents. In my area anyway.

'Bout the same in Salem. I've seen it as low as $1.65.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Right around $1.70 give or take a few cents. In my area anyway.

'Bout the same in Salem. I've seen it as low as $1.65.

Lol, what I said was Salem prices I'm about 10 minutes south of Salem

 

[Wingznut]

Let's not forget that there is so much more to gas prices. For instance... At $.24/gal, I believe OR has one of the highest gas taxes in the nation.

EDIT: Looks like OR ranks #8 in the nation.

 

[ViRGE]

Just as a comparison, our current gas tax is 24 cents/gallon, and a federal tax of 18.4 cents/gallon, bringing the total up to 42.4 cents/gallon(source). The same source says that WA is 23 cents/gallon state, or 41.4 cents/gallon total, and Cali is 6 cents cheaper. Assuming this is true, then it would seem that the belief that this won't affect prices is true.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Can anyone explain why there is a LAW that requires that all gas stations in Oregon have an attendant?

All states used to have full serve at one time. My guess why is for safety concerns. One by one, they allowed people to pump their own. It's not the law in Oregon and NJ that you MUST have full serve, it's AGAINST the law to pump your own.

We have the choice of full or self serve, yet even my wife chooses to pump it herself. From my experience, it's quicker and saves my car from being scratched and have fuel spilled on it. I can swipe the card*, fill it, and collect my receipt quicker than Goober would get around to my car. CHOICE is good!


* Yeah, we can swipe our own CCs here right at the pump. Another hassle, eh?

"It's not the law in Oregon and NJ that you MUST have full serve, it's AGAINST the law to pump your own."

OK, How can that possibly be enforceable when you have better than 95% of the Country Self Serve?

Show me someone that has been arrested, jailed, trialed and convicted in either of those 2 States for pumping their own gas.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ornery
Can anyone explain why there is a LAW that requires that all gas stations in Oregon have an attendant?

All states used to have full serve at one time. My guess why is for safety concerns. One by one, they allowed people to pump their own. It's not the law in Oregon and NJ that you MUST have full serve, it's AGAINST the law to pump your own.

We have the choice of full or self serve, yet even my wife chooses to pump it herself. From my experience, it's quicker and saves my car from being scratched and have fuel spilled on it. I can swipe the card*, fill it, and collect my receipt quicker than Goober would get around to my car. CHOICE is good!


* Yeah, we can swipe our own CCs here right at the pump. Another hassle, eh?

"It's not the law in Oregon and NJ that you MUST have full serve, it's AGAINST the law to pump your own."

OK, How can that possibly be enforceable when you have better than 95% of the Country Self Serve?

Show me someone that has been arrested, jailed, trialed and convicted in either of those 2 States for pumping their own gas.

Simple, really. It's enforcable from a station standpoint, since the regulatory agencies will ensure you have someone attending the pumps; and for people who try to pump their own gas? I don't think anyone in this state is stupid enough to try to pump their own gas when 1) Someone else will do it for free, and 2) It's illegal otherwise.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Show me someone that has been arrested, jailed, trialed and convicted in either of those 2 States for pumping their own gas.

Well, of course nobody gets prosecuted for it... Because nobody does it. There's simply no good reason to pump your own gas. And I think if you guys lived here, you'd feel the same way (with the obvious exception of nik).

 

[tarheelmm]

Stop being lazy!!!!

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: tarheelmm
Stop being lazy!!!!

Stop being a dork!!!!

If you had actually read the thread, or used your powers of reason and deduction, you'd have learned that it has nothing to do with being "lazy".

 

[Jzero]

I used to think that full-serve was great until I started working and filling up in PA. With pay-at-the-pump, I find it a lot more convenient to jump out of my car and pump the gas myself than to have to wait a minute for the attendant to come, wait to fill the tank, wait for the attendant to come back when it's done filling, and potentially wait to have CC charged.

Now, when I fill up in NJ I get impatient...