Oregon might have a functioning health exchange website someday, or not, no one knows

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Later, in a hearing before the House Interim Committee on Health Care, Rep. Jason Conger, R-Bend, called for an end to Cover Oregon.

"This is the most embarrassing train wreck I've ever seen," Conger said. "I’ve lost all faith in Cover Oregon. I’ve lost all faith in the website I think Cover Oregon’s credibility with the public has been damaged irreparably, meaning they’re not gonna sign up.

"All of these things lead one to the conclusion that perhaps it’s time to throw in the towel."

Conger - who is running for the Senate seat occupied by Jeff Merkley - is at least the second lawmaker to call for an end to the exchange in the last week. Rep. Dennis Richardson, R-Central Point, do so last week.

Legislators also tried to pin Goldberg down on why the public wasn’t notified sooner that the site was likely to fail.

“What I’m trying to figure out, and it’s just driving me a little bit crazy – when I met with Rocky King, he told me that they knew for sure the system would not be operating Oct. 1 in early August,” said Sen. Richard Devlin, D-Tualatin. “What I’m trying to really understand is why there wasn’t an overt message that this system is not going to be operating, that we’re going to have alternatives.

“I’m trying to figure out why someone didn’t come forward and say ‘the emperor has no clothes.’”

Goldberg said that while he was aware of problems with the website, he had been assured by King and former CIO Carolyn Lawson that they would be mitigated in time for launch.

From its inception the project was beset by red flags from independent auditor Maximus. The assessments, which turned out to accurately predict the website’s failure, were all sent to Goldberg in his former role as the head of the Oregon Health Authority.

After the meeting, KATU Investigators asked Goldberg why he didn’t pay closer attention to the Maximus reports - the history of which KATU Investigators recently detailed - and why he didn’t try to intervene sooner if he was aware of the problems.

“There was always a high degree of risk – that was always a part of the process,” Goldberg said. “There was never an indication the site wouldn’t be able to launch, until Sept. 28.”

Rep. Kim Thatcher, R-Keizer, asked “How many people at Cover Oregon have been fired or otherwise held accountable for their bungling?"

Goldberg avoided the question, saying he was accountable and that an independent assessment that will be performed by a company called First Data will look at who’s responsible. He later acknowledged nobody has been fired, saying “you’ll have to talk to their department heads.”

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Goldberg also said the 400 workers the state has hired to process paper applications in the interim cost about $3.3 million through Jan. 1, which will be split by OHA and Cover Oregon.

He said while Lawson was partially to blame –“I think we all share that disappointment,” he said – some of the fault also lies with Oracle, the company the state hired to provide software and technical expertise. He said Cover Oregon is currently withholding $28 million from Oracle until the website is functioning.

At the beginning of the hearing, new Oregon CIO Alex Pettit – who will be tasked with righting the Cover Oregon ship and ensuring the state doesn’t mismanage future IT projects - was introduced to the committee.

“My sympathies to you,” Devlin said.
More in the link
http://www.katu.com/news/investigat...-all-or-part-of-failed-website-240348071.html

The Republican National Committee, which is continuing to press health care as the issue of the 2014 elections, says it is filing a public records request for information regarding the compensation of the officials who ran the troubled Cover Oregon website.

RNC spokesman Michael Short said the party is also filing similar requests in Hawaii, Minnesota and Maryland -- states that are also under Democratic control.

Short referred to Gov. John Kitzhaber, Sen. Jeff Merkley and Rep. Kurt Schrader, all Oregon Democrats who are up for re-election this year, and said the "national party is getting involved to hold these elected leaders responsible for this disaster."

Kitzhaber last week said the state is continuing to use paper records to enroll people in health care coverage and was pleased with the progress the state was making.

The records request seeks compensation and vacation information for Rocky King, who recently announced that he will resign his position as director of Cover Oregon as of March 5. He's been on medical leave since Dec. 2 and had also missed significant amounts of time before that.

The GOP is also seeking similar information about Carolyn Lawson, who had been the Oregon Health Authority's chief technology officer. She resigned last month as workers continued to struggle to get the Cover Oregon website operating. The records request also asks for data about the number of enrollees who have made payments toward their selected health plan on the state's exchange.
http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/01/national_gop_seeks_to_turn_up.html

I fully support the RNC's effort to pull back the curtain and find out where all that time and money went.

We're now 4 months past the go live date and it still doesn't work at all. No one knows when it will work. I think it's time to scrap Cover Oregon and use the federal exchange.
 

Genx87

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Mnsure is in about the same position. Website has been more or less a disaster. Of course our cross eyed retard of a gov is promising to get to the bottom of this. But nothing will come of it. The money spent on god knows what.
 

theeedude

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They should just default to the federal exchange until theirs is up and running.
 

Vic

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Oracle already told Oregon that it's a bad idea to use Oracle for this project because of the size and scope that exceed Oracle's limitations.

If Oracle can't do a dbase this size, then who can?

Oh well, count on the state to not know how to write a proper SLA.
 

Theb

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Bring it up with Oracle.

Yeah Oracle seems largely at fault. They seem unable to deliver anything but invoices.

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KATU's On You Side Investigators dug through hundreds of emails between executives of Cover Oregon and Oracle - the company responsible for the website’s creation - that expose serious concerns about the site being doomed just days before launch.

There was even debate about whether Oracle should even been hired in the first place.

In one email less than two weeks before the website for was to go live, executive director Rocky King was losing sleep over Oracle's inability to get even the little things right.

"We do not want to be dismissed before we even begin," King wrote in a 4 a.m. email to a top executive at Oracle.

King highlighted some of the problems.

"Myriad" spelling errors.

“Drab pages."

"Links that don't work."

"We will all look dumb and it will come across as an amateur site,” he wrote. “This has little to do with functionality but a lot to do with perception."

Maybe so, but the functionality wasn't there either.

Oct. 1 came and went and Cover Oregon's website was unable to register people - let alone enroll them in a health care plan.

The state's top politicians - including Governor John Kitzhaber and Sen. Jeff Merkely - were so alarmed they bypassed King and contacted Oracle executives and Cover Oregon staff directly to understand the problems.

The problem, they heard, was Oracle.

Cover Oregon's emails – both internally and those sent to Merkley's office - describe Oracle's performance as "at best, unacceptable.”

Oracle's development team had an "undeserved amount of arrogance" and "their overall technical skill levels are questionable," the emails show.

In short, Oracle "did not have the in-house expertise for what they were contracted to deliver."

King, who left Cover Oregon last month for medical reasons, tried to remain upbeat about the project but showed the strain he was under after one particularly grueling legislative hearing.

"I'm going out to buy a dog so I have one friend!" he wrote.
http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/New...-unraveling-days-before-launch-236021451.html

But the state also mismanaged the project.
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The health exchange project lost significant momentum and time when Lawson, Oregon Health Authority's new IT director, changed the project's approach, according to a consultant's report.

Crucial to the success of Lawson's plan was for the state and its consultants to diligently oversee Oracle's work while doing much of the programming itself. But the OHA technology team had no experience dealing with Oracle systems, and lacked software developers and managers with expertise, as consultants like Wakely warned.

In fact, three quarters of the necessary personnel for the exchange project still hadn't been hired four months after the Oracle contract was signed

The exchange team "has little experience and few, if any, technical resources to validate the work-in-progress by Oracle," stated a Nov. 2011 report from the quality consultant, Maximus. "The hiring of new personnel with sufficient expertise will be critical."

Lawson said she hired consultants to provide the expertise the exchange team lacked.

Whatever the reason, from the very start the Oracle team seemed to have broad leeway to run the project as it saw fit, according to several people who worked on the project in 2012.

"The state was sitting on their hands. It was management by consensus. I think that probably was why Oracle pretty much took over and said we're just going to move along," said Larry Ridgley, a senior business analyst who worked on the project through March 2012. "The (state's) project managers I spoke with felt completely overwhelmed. I don't think they knew how to manage a project of that scope."

An August 2012 Maximus report found the exchange project was disorganized, lacked basic management and budget controls to ensure contractor performance, and was poisoned by distrust and suspicion between executives at Cover Oregon and their counterparts at the Oregon Health Authority. The project essentially had two masters.

The report recommended a more unified management and better management controls. By October, the "window was closing" where these changes would have much effect on the success of the project, according to Maximus.

After lawmakers blasted the exchange for its lack of management controls in 2012 legislative hearings, OHA and Cover Oregon did make changes, but not quickly or decisively enough, interviews and documents show.

Lawson says the real problem was the tight timeline, as well as several federal rules that were changed or issued at the last minute. "You could have had the best management controls in the world and had a hard time managing through this," she said. She said narrow contract work orders helped keep Oracle on task. "We didn't just run wild with the money."

In October 2012, a consultant hired for a crucial part of the project quit after just eight days. Karthikeya Kala was alarmed by the fact that Oracle was essentially writing its own project specifications – and poorly at that, he said. "It was obvious the project wasn't going to succeed," he said.

In his farewell letter he informed state managers the project wasn't following industry standards, resulting in a "chaotic" situation.

Adding to the problems was persistent infighting starting in 2012. Cover Oregon leaders believed OHA was preventing them from building a nimble, e-commerce site. Eventually, they went to Gov. John Kitzhaber to secure independence, exchange emails show.

In November 2012, Lawson accused Cover Oregon staff of "blindsiding" her in legislative hearings. The following month, Lawson urged King, Cover Oregon's director, to help "contain the emotion" of his subordinates after a "rough meeting. He responded that the real problem was the "competence" of her staff.

Bureaucratic backbiting continued into this October when Lawson accused Cover Oregon of instructing Oracle contractors not to talk to OHA. "The Oracle team at the highest levels believes they have been instructed by Rocky (King) not to talk to us," Lawson said in Oct. 7 email to her boss, Bruce Goldberg. "Since launch, the (Cover Oregon) side of the project has become a black hole."

While King feuded with Lawson, he also struggled to put an optimistic spin on the situation, repeatedly telling the public the site would be ready on Oct. 1. Privately, he worried that Oracle wouldn't deliver.

"We are in serious trouble," he told his leadership team in a Sept. 17 email. "This whole IT side has gotten away from us."
http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2013/12/oregon_health_exchange_technol.html
 

Genx87

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Why does terrible project management surprise people when it comes to govt? Just look at the meriad of military projects that were over budget and way past deadlines.
 

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If Oracle can't do a dbase this size, then who can?

Oh well, count on the state to not know how to write a proper SLA.

The phone company, they track every call you make and the duration for billing. I met one of the programmers for ATT and he was explaining it to me. They have to write their own custom software because no other company can produce software that tracks so many transactions.
 
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Vic

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The phone company, they track every call you make and the duration for billing. I met one of the programmers for ATT and he was explaining it to me. They have to write their own custom software because no other company can produce software that tracks so many transactions.

Ok but why did Oracle accept the job then if they couldn't meet the SLA's?
 

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Ok but why did Oracle accept the job then if they couldn't meet the SLA's?

Why did that awful company accept $700 million to make the federal government's health care website when they knew they couldn't do it either?
 

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Why did that awful company accept $700 million to make the federal government's health care website when they knew they couldn't do it either?
The answer to every question which begins with "Why did that awful company accept $700 million to " is "Because they could not get $800 million."
 

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Ok but why did Oracle accept the job then if they couldn't meet the SLA's?

Because it's Oracle. Because it was a project designed to fail. They got as much as they could of the plus in cost plus, and now they'll let the lawyers wrangle over it for a decade.

Other than the sales force, lawyers are their greatest asset.
 

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Why does terrible project management surprise people when it comes to govt? Just look at the meriad of military projects that were over budget and way past deadlines.

These sorts of project management mishaps shouldn't surprise anyone. There is virtually zero personal accountability in local, state, and federal .gov these days. It's not like someone's blunder that throws half a million down the drain jeopardizes headcounts for the most part, money means little to nothing in a bureaucracy which leads to a whole host of other problems of course.
 

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Why did that awful company accept $700 million to make the federal government's health care website when they knew they couldn't do it either?
The answer to every question which begins with "Why did that awful company accept $700 million to " is "Because they could not get $800 million."

While true of any business. Having worked with Oracle in the past, I can attest our resident lycanthropic marsupial is particularly accurate in this case.
 

boomerang

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They should just default to the federal exchange until theirs is up and running.
What? Seriously? The site has no security and is a potential playground for hackers, identity thieves and the like. Anyone who would submit any personal information through that site is naïve or just plain stupid. You can't even see what's available until you give out a slew of personal information. You can't even pay for your coverage through the site.

That's no answer.
 

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You would think this would effect oracle stock, doesn't paint them in too good a light.
 
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Theb

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Website still doesn't work. More people are resigning though.

Kitzhaber said the question of potential litigation against Oracle is now in the hands of Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum and the Department of Justice.

The state has withheld $25.5 million of the $69 million the company claims it is owed just for work since last fall. Oracle threatened to walk off the job immediately if Oregon didn’t pay up. The two sides agreed to a compromise in which the state withheld the $25.5 million but paid Oracle more than $43 million.
The state reserved the right to litigate over the entire sum it has paid Oracle.

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Kitzhaber said the personnel changes were appropriate. At Cover Oregon, managers need to look with fresh eyes at the technological and managerial challenges they face. At the Oregon Health Authority, “we had a number of top-level decision makers who made the wrong decision,” he said.

Among the most glaring foul-ups, the governor said, was not hiring a top-level systems integrator to serve as general contractor over the exchange project. Former OHA Chief Information Officer Carolyn Lawson, forced out in December, decided the state could serve as its own general contractor, with disastrous results. Without a hard-nosed overseer, there was no one to hold Oracle’s corporate feet to the fire.

The other big mistake cited by Kitzhaber was signing Oracle to a time-and-materials contract instead of a more explicit, fixed-price agreement.

“I’ve known Bruce (Goldberg) a long time, he was a great public servant,” Kitzhaber said. “But those were his calls.”

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2014/03/kitzhaber_cleans_house_announc.html
 

werepossum

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Considering that they managed to make the federal team almost look competent, they can apparently work miracles.

I can see why they would agree to a time and materials contract given that they did not really know what they wanted, but any contract should have very strong performance clauses. We may not know yet what we want, but we do know we want it to actually work. A better solution might be a hard bid for a stripped down web site, with hourly rates for additions and reworking existing programs that actually work.