Oregon DMV won't renew Marine Corp Vet's driver's license

[Vette73]

All he has to do to get a driver's license is get a passport? Really? *facepalm*

Really? Thats what you got from that?

A passport or FS-240 is what the State of Oregon will accept and is easy get by following what is on DoS's web-site.

AGAIN don't get mad when the law is changed the way you and other nutters wanted. He has to show proof just like everybody else.

 

[CycloWizard]

Really? Thats what you got from that?

A passport or FS-240 is what the State of Oregon will accept and is easy get by following what is on DoS's web-site.

AGAIN don't get mad when the law is changed the way you and other nutters wanted. He has to show proof just like everybody else.

If it's easier to get a passport than a driver's license, that's stupid. Period. The only reason that should ever be the case is if someone can't drive well. "You and your nutters" who support retarded government instead of sanity can piss off.

 

[EagleKeeper]

No one is saying it is easier to get a passport than a DL.

Marlin is showing what needs to be done based on the state requirements

Many states now require PROOF of citizenship based on certain documents. A US passport is one. The documents that a state requires is their own discression.

There are documemts that are needed to get a US Passport. One presents those when a passport appilcation is submitted.

the two types of documents needed (State vs Federal) may not be the same.

 

[Vette73]

No one is saying it is easier to get a passport than a DL.

Marlin is showing what needs to be done based on the state requirements

Many states now require PROOF of citizenship based on certain documents. A US passport is one. The documents that a state requires is their own discression.

There are documemts that are needed to get a US Passport. One presents those when a passport appilcation is submitted.

the two types of documents needed (State vs Federal) may not be the same.

:thumbsup:

 

[EagleKeeper]

If it's easier to get a passport than a driver's license, that's stupid. Period. The only reason that should ever be the case is if someone can't drive well. "You and your nutters" who support retarded government instead of sanity can piss off.

States can set their own requirements for a license.

The citizenship issue is because may places use the license as proof of legal residence in the US.

Oregon and other states are ensuring that their licenses reflect the fact.
It is a legal residence affidavit as well as a permission to operate a moter vehicle that is recognized by other states are countries.

 

[Exterous]

Is there any reason to think this guy is not legal? If not, then give the guy a temporary permit while you figure out what the real requirements are.

I disagree. If you 'think' the guy is a resident or he is 'most likely' or 'probably' and you give him a temporary permit or some such you become the target for all consequences of giving him that permit. If he gets in an accident I can easily see the state being sued for improperly issuing a license. Lord help the state/politicial/employee who thought the guy was legal but he turned out to be a terrorist

There is no way I would rest my career and well being on someone 'thinking' the guy is legal or - if I were in the DMV's situation - giving out a temproary permit because I 'think' he is legal

 

[JTsyo]

All he has to do to get a driver's license is get a passport? Really? *facepalm*

He'll run into the same issue with the passport. you need to prove citizenship to get your passport. Maybe there are more acceptable proof for the passport.

 

[Ackmed]

I had to pay a $10 fee since my DL was 6 months out of date. When I explained to the lady at the desk, that I was deployed she said I should have done it online.

Hmm, since we didnt even have a generator to power our com, it might be a little hard. I didnt feel like arguing with her. I guess she thinks there is internet everywhere in the world. Paid my $10 and left.

 

[bruceb]

All he needs is his Military Identification Card as proof of ID
Info is from the link posted earlier to Oregon DMV page

Your full legal name is your first name, middle name(s), and last or surname, without use of initials or nicknames.

You must provide additional documentation proving your current full legal name if it is different than the name shown on your proof of legal presence (see the Proof of Your Legal Presence, Identity and Date of Birth section below for more information).

Acceptable documents that can be presented to prove your current full legal name include:

• An official government issued marriage certificate/license (signed by a government official and including a filed date, stamp, seal or other notation showing that the document has been filed with a government agency);
• A certificate of Registered Domestic Partnership issued by a city, county or state Vital Statistics agency;
• A U.S. city, county or state court-issued divorce decree, judgment of dissolution of marriage, annulment of marriage decree, judgment of dissolution of domestic partnership, or annulment of domestic partnership;
• A government-issued death certificate of spouse, that includes a connection to your current full legal name (signed by a government official and including a stamp to show that the document has been filed);
• A U.S. city, county or state court-issued adoption decree;
• A U.S. city, county or state court-issued legal name change decree;
• A U.S. city, county or state court-issued custody decree or guardianship decree;
• Oregon driver license, instruction permit or identification card;
• Canadian government issued birth certificate;
• Military ID card, Common Access card and Uniform Services ID & Privilege card (including all branches of military personnel and dependents, not including Merchant Marines);
• Other U.S. state, U.S. territory, District of Columbia, Canadian or U.S. Department of State driver license, instruction permit or identification card;
• Oregon Concealed Weapon permit/Concealed Handgun license;
• Tribal identification card issued by a federally recognized tribe located in Oregon or with an Oregon affiliation, approved by DMV; or
• Oregon County Community Corrections, U.S. Pretrial, U.S. District Court Probation Office, or Oregon Youth Authority proof of identification letter, approved by DMV.

All documents presented must be original or certified copies from the issuing agency to be accepted by DMV. DMV has the discretion to reject or require additional evidence to verify your current full legal name.

If you are a citizen of, a permanent resident of or legally present in the U.S. and do not have the required documents needed to prove your current full legal name you may be eligible for an Oregon temporary driver license or identification card.

If you are having problems meeting the requirements for an Oregon driver license, instruction permit or identification card, you can contact a DMV Customer Assistant Specialist by calling your local DMV office, or you may contact the following DMV customer assistance numbers:

• In the Portland metro area call (503) 299-9999;
• In Salem call (503) 945-5000; or
• In the Eugene/Springfield area call (541) 686-7855.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The guy is not active military - he was discharged.

Military paperwork will not suffice as a result.

 

[Linflas]

The guy is not active military - he was discharged.

Military paperwork will not suffice as a result.

Even so if it was less than 6 years total service he would exchange his active duty ID for an Inactive Reserve ID that would expire at the end of the 6th year. If the quoted law is accurate then a current military ID, active, reserve, or inactive reserve should all work.

 

[CycloWizard]

He'll run into the same issue with the passport. you need to prove citizenship to get your passport. Maybe there are more acceptable proof for the passport.

This is the point I was trying to make, although I obviously didn't make it very well. It doesn't make any sense to allow a passport as proof of citizenship if the documents required to get a passport aren't accepted as proof by the state.

 

[bruceb]

He can also use his ID & Privilege card (should be Blue for retired, honorably discharged vets)
Uniform Services ID & Privilege card

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Uniformed_Services_Privilege_and_Identification_Card

A United States Uniformed Services Privilege and Identification Card (also known as U.S. military ID, Geneva Conventions Identification Card, or less commonly abbreviated USPIC) is an identity document issued by the United States Department of Defense to identify a person as a member of the Armed Forces or a member's dependent, such as a child or spouse.
The card is used to control access to military bases, exclusive stores (such as AAFES and NEX outlets and commissaries), Morale Welfare and Recreation (MWR) facilities, and high-security areas. It also serves as proof of eligibilty for medical care delivered either directly within the military health system or outside via TRICARE. The modern identification card is called a Common Access Card (CAC) because it is also a smart card that is used with specialized card readers for automatic building access control systems, communications encryption, and computer access.
Types

The primary types of U.S. military ID cards being issued today are the CAC for active duty and Reserve members, the Department of Defense (DD) Form 2 for retirees, and DD Form 1173 for dependents. Until the CAC was phased in starting in late 2003, the DD Form 2 in branch-specific variants served as active duty members' ID. Prior to the October 1993 revision, the DD Form 2 form number was appended with one of five variant codes denoting branch of service (A, AF, N, MC, or CG), and the typewriter-filled blank form variants were overprinted with branch names and logos. Current DD Forms 2 and 1173 are identical for all branches; the DEERS ID workstation prints branch-unique names and logos onto the blank form along with the holder's personal information at the time of issue. Current DD Forms 2 and 1173 variants differ only in the color in which the blank form is printed, indicating the holder's status. DD Forms 2 and 1173 are easily confused as they are similar in appearance and purpose, however they are two distinct forms.
Color Coding

The DD Form 2 and 1173 ID cards are color-coded to denote the status of the holder. Possible colors are:

• Tan - Dependent of active duty member or retiree.
• Red - Retired Reservist not yet age 60 (Gray Area) and Dependent of Reserve Components.
• Blue - Retiree (or other honorably discharged Veteran with benefits).

 

[Thump553]

Take a look at the DMV webpage I linked. You have to prove a number of things to get or renew an OR driver's license. The military ID is proof of your legal name but not proof of your citizenship. The webpage lists the specific documents that will prove your citizenship.

Besides he did not produce a military ID, he produced his discharge papers.

 

[EagleKeeper]

This is the point I was trying to make, although I obviously didn't make it very well. It doesn't make any sense to allow a passport as proof of citizenship if the documents required to get a passport aren't accepted as proof by the state.

A state can set it's own requirements for a DL.

The person in question regarding the article has not provided any of the forms to the state taht are acceptable for a passport.

 

[EagleKeeper]

He can also use his ID & Privilege card (should be Blue for retired, honorably discharged vets)
Uniform Services ID & Privilege card

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Uniformed_Services_Privilege_and_Identification_Card

A United States Uniformed Services Privilege and Identification Card (also known as U.S. military ID, Geneva Conventions Identification Card, or less commonly abbreviated USPIC) is an identity document issued by the United States Department of Defense to identify a person as a member of the Armed Forces or a member's dependent, such as a child or spouse.
The card is used to control access to military bases, exclusive stores (such as AAFES and NEX outlets and commissaries), Morale Welfare and Recreation (MWR) facilities, and high-security areas. It also serves as proof of eligibilty for medical care delivered either directly within the military health system or outside via TRICARE. The modern identification card is called a Common Access Card (CAC) because it is also a smart card that is used with specialized card readers for automatic building access control systems, communications encryption, and computer access.
Types

The primary types of U.S. military ID cards being issued today are the CAC for active duty and Reserve members, the Department of Defense (DD) Form 2 for retirees, and DD Form 1173 for dependents. Until the CAC was phased in starting in late 2003, the DD Form 2 in branch-specific variants served as active duty members' ID. Prior to the October 1993 revision, the DD Form 2 form number was appended with one of five variant codes denoting branch of service (A, AF, N, MC, or CG), and the typewriter-filled blank form variants were overprinted with branch names and logos. Current DD Forms 2 and 1173 are identical for all branches; the DEERS ID workstation prints branch-unique names and logos onto the blank form along with the holder's personal information at the time of issue. Current DD Forms 2 and 1173 variants differ only in the color in which the blank form is printed, indicating the holder's status. DD Forms 2 and 1173 are easily confused as they are similar in appearance and purpose, however they are two distinct forms.
Color Coding

The DD Form 2 and 1173 ID cards are color-coded to denote the status of the holder. Possible colors are:

• Tan - Dependent of active duty member or retiree.
• Red - Retired Reservist not yet age 60 (Gray Area) and Dependent of Reserve Components.
• Blue - Retiree (or other honorably discharged Veteran with benefits).

He is a veteran, not a retired veteran.

There is no ID card that will work.

 

[CycloWizard]

A state can set it's own requirements for a DL.

The person in question regarding the article has not provided any of the forms to the state taht are acceptable for a passport.

A state can require whatever it wants, just as I can point out how stupid its arbitrary requirements are when they're nonsensical. If x and y documents are good enough to get a passport, and a passport is good enough to get a DL, then why can't x and y be used to get a DL? It's utter nonsense - you can't possibly explain that in any rational way because it's completely irrational.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Even so if it was less than 6 years total service he would exchange his active duty ID for an Inactive Reserve ID that would expire at the end of the 6th year. If the quoted law is accurate then a current military ID, active, reserve, or inactive reserve should all work.

He went into the Marines in '71. He would have served a 4 or 6 yr stint and got out.

From the picture and the impression of the article, he did not serve 20 or 30

 

[EagleKeeper]

A state can require whatever it wants, just as I can point out how stupid its arbitrary requirements are when they're nonsensical. If x and y documents are good enough to get a passport, and a passport is good enough to get a DL, then why can't x and y be used to get a DL? It's utter nonsense - you can't possibly explain that in any rational way because it's completely irrational.

I would agree. However, based on the article; the person did not provide any documents that are acceptable for a US passprot

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

DMV is just doing what it's been told to do by lawmakers who passed the bill.

That's true and exactly what you'll say if government ever gets ahold of healthcare

 

[quikah]

I would agree. However, based on the article; the person did not provide any documents that are acceptable for a US passprot

Based on the article the DMV gave him the list of documents they would accept but didn't know which one he would need because, as the article stated, "we can’t do the leg work for people, and it is a lot of leg work. It can take months to get some of these documents.”

Based on the fact in the story he needs a Consular Record of Birth Abroad, but apparently he doesn't want to pay USCIS the $600 he claims they said it would cost.