Apparently Optimum Online has a deal running right now with the WIZ if you spend $100 you get either 1 of 2 different types of Modems....the Motorola Bitsurfer or the 3Com? Does anyone think there is a difference in performance with either of these 2 and/or can I get a totally different brand on my own that may be better than those???.....Also, I currently have InfoSpeed DSL from Bell Atlantic-Verizon 640k/90k and I went over my friend's house that just got Optimum Online and noticed he is getting avg downloads of 2000k and uploads of 980k which totally blows the doors off of DSL!!...I was floored by his performance...My question to all you that may know is how is Optimum Online for stability and ping consistancy for gaming and running gaming servers?......Currently, my DSL ping has been inconsistant and it will vary from 34ms-200ms and that frightens me! Can anyone share their gaming experiences with Optimum Online???
Optimum Online Cable Modem...which one?...and how is gaming with it??
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I have the 3com modem, be aware it's only capable of 3000kb/s (3Mb's). But in reality such limitations are rare at worst. Latency is broad topic, but generally its consistant and low. It depends on the route your packets are taking, either from the UUNet (alter), Sprint, or Digex backbones that optimum connects through. I ping as low as 13ms to the DC area from NY, excellent latency to NJ, CN, MA, etc. Mid-west is around 40ms, west is 80-120ms. So overall it's excellent, and if I were you I would be rushing to get away from Bell Atlantic's horrible joke of DSL service.
Dark Fudge
It depends on what you want. For gaming I suggest staying w/ DSL even w/ all of Verizons problems. Cable easily beats DSL for downloads, but for gaming DSL will beat it out anyday. even the old ISDN could do better than cable for gaming. Cable just doesn't have the consistent bandwidth that DSL does.
Just my experience.
I have Comcast @home (cable) btw, no DSL available in my area.
It depends on what you want. For gaming I suggest staying w/ DSL even w/ all of Verizons problems. Cable easily beats DSL for downloads, but for gaming DSL will beat it out anyday. even the old ISDN could do better than cable for gaming. Cable just doesn't have the consistent bandwidth that DSL does.
Just my experience.
I have Comcast @home (cable) btw, no DSL available in my area.
The big variable with cable systems is the structure of the network. If you have a system with bandwidth contention, the more people there are on the system the smaller piece of the bandwidth each person gets. You get great performance some hours and nil the next. The cable system I'm on is limited to 512k down and 128k up by the provisioning of the cable modem but it is guaranteed. When performance gets close to the guaranteed limits they add more equipment. As backup they give you a 56k dialup account for free. The modem(COM21) is free. If you already have cable TV you do the installation yourself and they give you all the materials free. Because they use DHCP you can connect as many as eight PC's on each modem through a hub for no extra charge and each has it's own dynamic IP address. Outages, particularly system wide, are very rare and quickly handled. Check out www.GCI.net.
I am very frightened by your statement Platinum that Cable is far worse then Bell Atlantic and even ISDN for consistency and low ping gaming....please tell me this is just an evil joke....everything I have seen with Optimum Online so far destroys my Bell Atlantic's INFSLOWSPEED DSL service!
please say it aint so...say it aint so!
I want it all!
can someone else who may have Optimum Online contest this statement...please?
please say it aint so...say it aint so!
I want it all!
can someone else who may have Optimum Online contest this statement...please?
i don't know about all areas of the country, but in cincinnati, ohio roadrunner smacks the local DSL (zoomtown) in gaming. i have found that people who say that cable sucks for gaming are just mad that they have DSL instead. i know a lot of people who have gone from DSL to cable, but i don't know anyone who has gone the other way. i'm so sure of cable that i am going to be getting roadrunner next month.
--jacob
--jacob
A little common sense analysis of cable vs. DSL. The bandwidth of the cable infrastructure far exceeds that portion reserved for cable modem usage. Engineers don't need to fight the bandwidth and noise issues because the TV guys licked that one long ago. DSL is trying to stretch obsolete (twisted pair) technology to the limit stuffing wideband data over circuits that have been plagued with bandwidth, crosstalk, and noise issues with POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service)for over 100 years. Until they get the entire nation equipped with fiber right to your house I think the choice is obvious.
Platnum said he has comcast@home, he obviously has no experience with Optimum Online or any right to say its worse than DSL. Optimum Online is in NY, NJ, CN. I _have_ it, I've had it for 3 years, his broad general statements about cable do not apply. You can not use @home as the standard for rating cable, not everyone is plauged with 16K uploading and extreme overselling.
If you people would please read his questions before getting into general DSL vs. general cable, this isnt about that, its about Bell Atlantic vs. Optimum Online, and as a NY resident and actual user, I can more accuratly guage the service.
Do not let ignorance sway you towards DSL, Optimum Online offers more bandwidth (10Mb down, 1Mb up) for $30, it's rediculous for someone living in a completly different area to say your ping will fluxuate too much for gaming, its simply not the case. Cablevision (optimum) does a fine job of maintaining under utilized network connections.
If you people would please read his questions before getting into general DSL vs. general cable, this isnt about that, its about Bell Atlantic vs. Optimum Online, and as a NY resident and actual user, I can more accuratly guage the service.
Do not let ignorance sway you towards DSL, Optimum Online offers more bandwidth (10Mb down, 1Mb up) for $30, it's rediculous for someone living in a completly different area to say your ping will fluxuate too much for gaming, its simply not the case. Cablevision (optimum) does a fine job of maintaining under utilized network connections.
Actually I live in NJ thank you. I have Comcast @ Home out of Philadelphia. I blow the pants off any of my gaming friends that have DSL for Downloading. I have download speeds up to 400 MB / sec. MB I didn't state the case clearly, but when Gaming DSL Hosts consistently out do Cable hosts. This has been my experience with Various Cable and DSL Providers. Various providers including Optimum, RoadRunner and Comcast @ home for Cable and several of the Major players for DSL including Verizon.
If I didn't state my case clearly before I do apologize.
If I didn't state my case clearly before I do apologize.
I'm an actual customer, I'm judging Optimum on actual use. You judge them by you're experience as a client to a server that used Optimum? Who's to say where your supposed latency issues were, at your end, any of several hops in your route, the server? Putting aside price, bursting bandwidth, stability and only speaking of consistant latency, I can say that my ping does not fluxuate greatly, if I ping 30 to a server, the highest it will go usually is 50ms, and all others are in that ratio. Can you claim any other provider has a better ratio? If so then you defy the logic of the internet, packets fluxuate, routers slow down now and then, thats the internet. Optimum is no worse than any other provider for ping fluxuation, infact, about a year ago I was having problems with my ping reaching 200ms+ at 8pm-12pm when hopping through Sprint, I called optimum and they explained that Sprint's PoP in NJ was saturated and they were working to get it taken care of. Less than 2 weeks latter things were back to normal. That is the only latency issue I've had in 3 years. Latency fluxuation is not an issue with Optimum.
I live in omaha, nebraska. We have two high speed options, cox@home and qwest dsl. I have tried qwest's dsl two seperate times. Their service is horrible. Not only did I never reach my 640k download cap that they told me i had (off MS server where I know bandwidth is not an issue, i would get at most 50K sec my cable gets 400K), but every time i did a counter-strike server search of gamespy or kali i could never find one anywhere with less than 100 ping. Most of the time I fluctuated from 120-200. I didn't even get stable bad pings, it flucuated more than my cable ever (well almost ever) does. I have wide range of servers that i ping less than 70 on, with my favorite one in oklahoma city giving me 40-60 ping, and a local server giving me 15-20 ping. I could say DSL sux in general but I have only used one provider so I won't say that. I would just wanted to say that not all @home services suck. The provider has a lot to do with it, and cox happens to be pretty good. I have never had an outage with them that is not attributed to the actual @home network either. So in my opinion cable is better.
Alright, First of all guilty, I have just as much a right to express my opinion about anyones service on this board as you do.
second, not everyones experience with the same service will be the same. So get off your little high horse Sheesh. Do you have stock in this company or something?
Truth is statements I made were general and they aren't necessarily going to coincide with EVERYONE's Experience. The truth is, however, most of the Network Adminstrator's I've talked to and worked with have had the same experience that I've had. Cable has better maximum throughput and hence is better for Downloading. Your going to get burst rates with cable that you'll only see with the most expensive DSL lines. With DSL on the other hand, tho ur bandwidth is limited your bandwidth is more consistent.
Can you honestly tell me that with Optimum Online you have never waited for a Web Page to load? Gaming doesn't benefit from Burst rates as much as Downloading does. DSL will consistently provide you a better gaming experience.
You obviously haven't done a lot of gaming because you will realize that if you had, just because your initial ping seemed good when you started the game, there can be instances during the game where you hit a real lag pocket. These occurences in my experience have happened a lot more frequently with cable than with DSL.
second, not everyones experience with the same service will be the same. So get off your little high horse Sheesh. Do you have stock in this company or something?
Truth is statements I made were general and they aren't necessarily going to coincide with EVERYONE's Experience. The truth is, however, most of the Network Adminstrator's I've talked to and worked with have had the same experience that I've had. Cable has better maximum throughput and hence is better for Downloading. Your going to get burst rates with cable that you'll only see with the most expensive DSL lines. With DSL on the other hand, tho ur bandwidth is limited your bandwidth is more consistent.
Can you honestly tell me that with Optimum Online you have never waited for a Web Page to load? Gaming doesn't benefit from Burst rates as much as Downloading does. DSL will consistently provide you a better gaming experience.
You obviously haven't done a lot of gaming because you will realize that if you had, just because your initial ping seemed good when you started the game, there can be instances during the game where you hit a real lag pocket. These occurences in my experience have happened a lot more frequently with cable than with DSL.
I would say things are what they are when it comes to cable vs. dsl. everybodies usage is different. 2 guys in the same neighborhood could love or hate the same service depending on their usage needs and times. I don't believe many of us are actually using and on our computers for half the day or more to actually be able to test real stability when it comes to speed and pings.
I know nothing of the technical end except for what I read and what techs/employees of local services have told me and all I can tell is network quality is an issue for whatever service you use. some companies can suck at customer service and oversell. YOU can be just lucky or unlucky with your experience. And cable vs. dsl in their basic design says dsl should be more stable if they have tested your lines and distance before your install and start your service, over cable. Dsl was possible and distance from a switch limits where it can be installed. cable by nature has taken time to mature due to the way it works and as far as consistency should be inferior to dsl.
my personal experience was using dsl in stockton, ca. for almost a year with great uptime and almost constant speeds and pings when up. I online game allot and work from home and it was heaven. I now have @home cable in sacramento, ca. for 3 months and it has sucked from day 1. inconsistent pings from second to second sometimes jumping from 200-700. It frequently gets to the point of me not playing online games due to this. Yet at these same times I can download a file, and get almost 3 times faster speeds than I ever did on my dsl. But I sometimes can see annoying pauses or bursts perhaps because of the way it runs through a proxy I don't know?
for a business solution like @home touts my cable has sucked. they will tell me my ping stinks on the phone and do nothing about it, its the technology at peak times and will clear up with less users. I hate cable and would go to dsl if possible.
I know nothing of the technical end except for what I read and what techs/employees of local services have told me and all I can tell is network quality is an issue for whatever service you use. some companies can suck at customer service and oversell. YOU can be just lucky or unlucky with your experience. And cable vs. dsl in their basic design says dsl should be more stable if they have tested your lines and distance before your install and start your service, over cable. Dsl was possible and distance from a switch limits where it can be installed. cable by nature has taken time to mature due to the way it works and as far as consistency should be inferior to dsl.
my personal experience was using dsl in stockton, ca. for almost a year with great uptime and almost constant speeds and pings when up. I online game allot and work from home and it was heaven. I now have @home cable in sacramento, ca. for 3 months and it has sucked from day 1. inconsistent pings from second to second sometimes jumping from 200-700. It frequently gets to the point of me not playing online games due to this. Yet at these same times I can download a file, and get almost 3 times faster speeds than I ever did on my dsl. But I sometimes can see annoying pauses or bursts perhaps because of the way it runs through a proxy I don't know?
for a business solution like @home touts my cable has sucked. they will tell me my ping stinks on the phone and do nothing about it, its the technology at peak times and will clear up with less users. I hate cable and would go to dsl if possible.
You again fail to realize that not every provider oversells their capacity, not every provider imposes low caps. I'm saying with my cable, optimum online, I have a consistant connection that does not spike in peak hours or even fluxuate greatly at all. You really cant appreciate it since you dont have it, but look around message boards, broadband tweaking sites, Optimum is outstanding. You are being very general about cable and DSL, when the proposed question was about Optimum itself, he was not asking you vaguely describe your opinion of cable modems.
"You obviously haven't done a lot of gaming because you will realize that if you had, just because your initial ping seemed good when you started the game, there can be instances during the game where you hit a real lag pocket. These occurences in my experience have happened a lot more frequently with cable than with DSL."
Dont tell me that I must be new to gaming, when I state that my latency is consistant I mean it. You again state your opinion of a completly different provider. Who would I be to recommend comcast@home? It would be wrong of me to recommend to knock it since I'm not a user of it. I've actually ran ICMP tests to a server of mine in St. louis, 1000 pings at a time, I lost on average 10. Dont assume I am some kid who thinks the "Ping" I see in gamespy is what I will always have. I speak of experience, you speak of assumption.
And to get into your statement that cable only provides bursting bandwidth rather than consisant: you can not begin to appreciate the bandwidth optimum generously gives us when you are stuck on @home. You see, simply looking at @home and DSL, I would agree with all you are saying, but cable is not only @home, and thw quality differs from region to region. I can only speak of the NY Optimum online cable, which I've had for 3 years, from bad to good, and highly recommend. Infact, in the past 6 months 3 of my friends have gotten Optimum, and all enjoy it immensly. So please do not speak ill of cable as a whole from your fairly narrow experience with it.
"You obviously haven't done a lot of gaming because you will realize that if you had, just because your initial ping seemed good when you started the game, there can be instances during the game where you hit a real lag pocket. These occurences in my experience have happened a lot more frequently with cable than with DSL."
Dont tell me that I must be new to gaming, when I state that my latency is consistant I mean it. You again state your opinion of a completly different provider. Who would I be to recommend comcast@home? It would be wrong of me to recommend to knock it since I'm not a user of it. I've actually ran ICMP tests to a server of mine in St. louis, 1000 pings at a time, I lost on average 10. Dont assume I am some kid who thinks the "Ping" I see in gamespy is what I will always have. I speak of experience, you speak of assumption.
And to get into your statement that cable only provides bursting bandwidth rather than consisant: you can not begin to appreciate the bandwidth optimum generously gives us when you are stuck on @home. You see, simply looking at @home and DSL, I would agree with all you are saying, but cable is not only @home, and thw quality differs from region to region. I can only speak of the NY Optimum online cable, which I've had for 3 years, from bad to good, and highly recommend. Infact, in the past 6 months 3 of my friends have gotten Optimum, and all enjoy it immensly. So please do not speak ill of cable as a whole from your fairly narrow experience with it.
PlatinumGold
It all depends on actual implementation. I switched from Verizon DSL
to OptimumOnline and the difference is night and day.
Verizon oversubscribed their DSLAMs and it slows to a crawl at peak times.
Pings go from 50 to 200.
OptimumOnline has brand new SONET and delivers
5000down/1000up most of the time (after tweaking my PC). At peak time it can drop to 3000/800.
Pings are 20-50 .
DarkFudge
Read user reviews on dslreports.com. OptimumOnline has the best score I believe.
3Com and Motorola/GI modems are more or less the same. Just make sure its not a USB model.
It all depends on actual implementation. I switched from Verizon DSL
to OptimumOnline and the difference is night and day.
Verizon oversubscribed their DSLAMs and it slows to a crawl at peak times.
Pings go from 50 to 200.
OptimumOnline has brand new SONET and delivers
5000down/1000up most of the time (after tweaking my PC). At peak time it can drop to 3000/800.
Pings are 20-50 .
DarkFudge
Read user reviews on dslreports.com. OptimumOnline has the best score I believe.
3Com and Motorola/GI modems are more or less the same. Just make sure its not a USB model.
Trader05
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I have Optimum Online with the Motorola Surfboard modem, I love it. I usually d/l up to 500k/s, upload about 128k/s. My friend have the terriyon(i know the spelling is wrong 
) and he has problems with that modem, it's about the same as mine, but he has problems with connection losses, i dunno. The 3com is about the same with mine too/no problems. We all have about the same ping, ranges back and forth about 1-3 ping difference. I play TFC (Half-Life Mod) and i usually ping 30-50 on a server. Quake 3 ususally ranges 40-100 ping matters where the server is. I'm highly loving this service! Good luck....
) and he has problems with that modem, it's about the same as mine, but he has problems with connection losses, i dunno. The 3com is about the same with mine too/no problems. We all have about the same ping, ranges back and forth about 1-3 ping difference. I play TFC (Half-Life Mod) and i usually ping 30-50 on a server. Quake 3 ususally ranges 40-100 ping matters where the server is. I'm highly loving this service! Good luck....You see, actual experience is an accurate gauge. And as Vrangel and Trader mentioned, go for the 3com, it's the best of the 3 I've used, LanCity and Terryon both have desyncing problems.
A quick question.....How many different brands of Cable Modems are the WIZ offering with the "$100 spent at Wiz and get free Optimum Online cable modem deal?"
Someone mentioned that 3COM is only limited to 3000KB (3mb)download per second?
So which truly is the best modem to get here?
thanks all!!
Someone mentioned that 3COM is only limited to 3000KB (3mb)download per second?
So which truly is the best modem to get here?
thanks all!!
Motorola Surfboard 3100. It is actually GI modem
under Motorola brand name.Very reliable and fast.
3Com needs a bit stronger signal to work reliably.
Othervise its just as good.
Terayon is older model.Some ppl used to have problems with it.
under Motorola brand name.Very reliable and fast.
3Com needs a bit stronger signal to work reliably.
Othervise its just as good.
Terayon is older model.Some ppl used to have problems with it.
For gaming purposes and running a server, which would be the BEST Modem to get and does the WIZ offer a choice for any of these Modems or do you just get one choice for free when you spend $100??
Also what would be a disadvantage of a Dynamic IP versus a Static IP if I wanted to host either a gaming server or just a regular Website?.....can it even be done with a Dynamic IP???
any ideas???
Also what would be a disadvantage of a Dynamic IP versus a Static IP if I wanted to host either a gaming server or just a regular Website?.....can it even be done with a Dynamic IP???
any ideas???
You can choose any cable modem they have.
Motorola is the best IMO. For more opinions go to
dslreports.com forums,you will find threads on this subject there.
IP is dynamic, well kind of. With cable modem you dont need to login
so IP stays the same for months. I've read someone saying he had
the same IP for 6 months.
IP will change if you reboot your modem. So you need one that will
never crash. Motorola 3100 fits the bill, its very reliable.
BTW if you plan to run a dedicated server you need a router anyway.
With a router you can use DYNDNS service to make your dynamic IP
to be static for outside users. This service is free.
Motorola is the best IMO. For more opinions go to
dslreports.com forums,you will find threads on this subject there.
IP is dynamic, well kind of. With cable modem you dont need to login
so IP stays the same for months. I've read someone saying he had
the same IP for 6 months.
IP will change if you reboot your modem. So you need one that will
never crash. Motorola 3100 fits the bill, its very reliable.
BTW if you plan to run a dedicated server you need a router anyway.
With a router you can use DYNDNS service to make your dynamic IP
to be static for outside users. This service is free.
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