i was going to get x2 4400, but now this cpu forum is filled with opteron thread...
please guide me through
please guide me through
opteron dual core or amd64 x2 ???
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Well Opterons weren't intended to be used as we are using them, however they work perfect for our needs. If you're not that experienced, not all motherboards will be seemless with the X2, so the same can be true for the dualcore Opterons.
The 165 is pretty much out of stock everywhere you look (and if you can find one, it probably won't be for the killer price everyone has been so pleased with - $300), and its such an attractive because it can overclock just as well as any dual core AMD chip out there, and it even has the extra cache the Toledo X2s have. However the 165 comes with a 9x multiplier, which means you're going to need a motherboard capable of pushing high HTT (288 for 2.6GHz, 300 for 2.7GHz), and one board that consistently pull that off is the DFI Ultra-D.
But that brings us back to the OOS (possibly even "discontinued") problem of the Opteron 165. However if you were willing to fork over for the 4400+, you might be willing to grab an Opteron 170 or 175. However I think the 175 (same specs as a 4400+) runs a little more expensive.
That being said, don't go Opteron unless you're planning on overclocking. If you are, I'd go with the slightly slower (slower than a 4400+) Opteron 170, it has a 10x multiplier so you don't have to worry about the motherboard as much as you would with a 165. It can be found for $400 (or even less if you go with OEM), so its cheaper than the 4400+, has the same ammount of cache, and should overclock just as well (if not better).
The senario is different if you're not considering overclocking.
The 165 is pretty much out of stock everywhere you look (and if you can find one, it probably won't be for the killer price everyone has been so pleased with - $300), and its such an attractive because it can overclock just as well as any dual core AMD chip out there, and it even has the extra cache the Toledo X2s have. However the 165 comes with a 9x multiplier, which means you're going to need a motherboard capable of pushing high HTT (288 for 2.6GHz, 300 for 2.7GHz), and one board that consistently pull that off is the DFI Ultra-D.
But that brings us back to the OOS (possibly even "discontinued") problem of the Opteron 165. However if you were willing to fork over for the 4400+, you might be willing to grab an Opteron 170 or 175. However I think the 175 (same specs as a 4400+) runs a little more expensive.
That being said, don't go Opteron unless you're planning on overclocking. If you are, I'd go with the slightly slower (slower than a 4400+) Opteron 170, it has a 10x multiplier so you don't have to worry about the motherboard as much as you would with a 165. It can be found for $400 (or even less if you go with OEM), so its cheaper than the 4400+, has the same ammount of cache, and should overclock just as well (if not better).
The senario is different if you're not considering overclocking.
If you were thinking of going for a 4400+ and were not put off by the price then I'd just stick to that. An Opteron **MAY** reach higher clocks when overclocking, but I wouldnt recommend pushing your CPU to the limit if you're new to OCing anyway, so both will probably overclock well enough for your needs. Another thing, if you get frustrated by the process of overclocking and just decide to stick to the stock clock, then the 4400+ will still perform pretty well (so will an Opteron 170, for example, but it will be slower than the 4400+). Also, Asus will guarantee that your motherboard will work perfectly with the 4400+, which cannot be said about the Opteron (it should work perfectly, as there is no reason for it not to, but the manufacturer will not give you any support for it).
harobikes333
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I doubt it, there are ETAs from several places.
Obviously worst case senario is discontinuation, but its more like you'll have to wait about a month...which is almost as bad depending on you who ask
However AMD did make a "mistake". Everyone has been expressing a desire for a "3000+" equivilent X2. 1.8GHz, 9x multi, and more affordable ($300 means you're paying pretty much 2 x 3000+, a fair price). The kicker is that the 165 is even better than what we were wanting, because of the extra cache. Obviously the cache is pretty much a negligable difference, but the minimal performance boost certainly isn't unwelcomed.
Not that this is in anyway completely reliable, but I called Monarch today to ask them if they were indeed recieving another shipment of Opteron 165s as I had one backordered there. He informed me that they were recieving more shipments, and I asked him if they had discontinued the product. He told me AMD did not discontiune the product, but were having some "problems." So I am happy I am getting one, but I hope they still OC well.
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