Opinions on the Dragon Age and Mass Effect Universes?

micrometers

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Like, aside from vehicles for video games, thoughts about how those universes stand up on their own, say in terms of literature?

Both strike me as serviceable, but also inferior to other franchises. Warcraft is more colorful and interesting than Dragon Age IMO. I find myself barely caring about the serious social dilemma posed in Dragon Age, and while Warcraft's plot is kind of crap, the artwork is so much more spectacular.

Star Wars is more whimsical than Mass Effect with the personality of the droids, but also the whole mystical aspect of the Jedi and the force make it more interesting than the cold and utterly serious sci-fi of mass effect. The Warhammer series also seems more developed.
 

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They're just like most any other fictional (scifi/fantasy) universes. There are enough blanks to fill in that they let one's imagination make them fit into a realistic mold based on personal experiences. They're vague enough to make just about anything work.
 

Crono

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I watched my brother play Dragon Age for a bit.

I don't have as much time to play games anymore anyway, but it looked too much like a rip-off of the Lord of the Rings style for me to be interested.
Did not look original or very interesting to me at all.

I like the Elder Scrolls universe. At least they borrow from ancient historical mythology and cultures, but also make original stories.
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gorcorps

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DA is nothing more than stereotypical fantasy bore.

ME was much easier to get into and care about. I think the history of all the different races is done well enough to care about, and the characters themselves are usually memorable. While not particularly original overall it's still easy to get caught up in. Something I rarely do with video games.
 

Fritzo

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Dragon Age bored me to tears. The combat was great, but you had to suffer through unbelievably long and drawn out conversation screens.

Mass Effect has a better storyline IMO, and much more engaging gameplay. I felt like I was playing in a movie while playing the Mass Effect series (in fact, I'm replaying ME2 right now before I play ME3).
 
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ME universe was so boring. Couldn't get into any of the games. It such generic sci -fi and they try to explain the "science" in their games that are just plain WRONG.

Don't try and explain shit, it makes the "science" unbelievable and so boring.
 

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Dragon Age bored me to tears. The combat was great, but you had to suffer through unbelievably long and drawn out conversation screens.

Mass Effect has a better storyline IMO, and much more engaging gameplay. I felt like I was playing in a movie while playing the Mass Effect series (in fact, I'm replaying ME2 right now before I play ME3).

DA had great combat... I must have missed it while spamming the same few attacks over and over every single fight.
 

micrometers

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ME universe was so boring. Couldn't get into any of the games. It such generic sci -fi and they try to explain the "science" in their games that are just plain WRONG.

Don't try and explain shit, it makes the "science" unbelievable and so boring.

Mass Effect always seemed too clinical and serious. It missed the parts of Star Wars that made Star Wars so quirky.
 

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actually, DA2 combat really is quite good. It is better than KOTOR combat.

Good God no! When I can have a mage tank against the enemies that spawn out of no where for 10 minutes, the combat is fundamentally broken. DA1's combat was far better, and actually had choreographed motion captured actors doing the motions. DA2's animations were reduced to sub-Diablo 1 animations.

As far a franchise goes, being colorful and fun(Warcraft) isn't a metric to determine if its good or not. Warcraft has had 3 RTS PC games, a scrapped adventure game, and a major MMO with several expansions, thats a lot of history and time to build lore and events. Dragon Age has only had 2 games so far, far less time.

Mass Effect is similar, with only three very short games under its belt. We'll see how it grows.

EA pretty much killed the DA franchise with DA2 though, we'll see how quickly they take the ME franchise down.







Dragon Age bored me to tears. The combat was great, but you had to suffer through unbelievably long and drawn out conversation screens.


Its an RPG, its supposed to have conversations, plot, story, characters that the player can influence. DA1 was actually pretty light on the conversations compared to other top notch RPGs, its an aspect they need to beef up in DA3 to deliver on their original promise to make DA the spiritual successor to BG. And after the atrocity that was DA2, they need it desperately.
 
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AstroManLuca

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ME universe was so boring. Couldn't get into any of the games. It such generic sci -fi and they try to explain the "science" in their games that are just plain WRONG.

Don't try and explain shit, it makes the "science" unbelievable and so boring.

I found that to be my favorite aspect of the ME universe. Obviously it's just personal opinion, but I like my sci-fi a little harder than average. So science fiction that at least attempts to explain how things work is preferable to me over space fantasy like Star Wars.

That said, I'm not getting Mass Effect 3 until a new ending is released, and only if they do a decent job. I loved the first game and enjoyed the gameplay of the second but found the story to be lacking. The third seems to have gone in the wrong direction and messed with what was once a very interesting universe.
 

micrometers

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Good God no! When I can have a mage tank against the enemies that spawn out of no where for 10 minutes, the combat is fundamentally broken. DA1's combat was far better, and actually had choreographed motion captured actors doing the motions. DA2's animations were reduced to sub-Diablo 1 animations.

As far a franchise goes, being colorful and fun(Warcraft) isn't a metric to determine if its good or not. Warcraft has had 3 RTS PC games, a scrapped adventure game, and a major MMO with several expansions, thats a lot of history and time to build lore and events. Dragon Age has only had 2 games so far, far less time.

Mass Effect is similar, with only three very short games under its belt. We'll see how it grows.

EA pretty much killed the DA franchise with DA2 though, we'll see how quickly they take the ME franchise down.


Its an RPG, its supposed to have conversations, plot, story, characters that the player can influence. DA1 was actually pretty light on the conversations compared to other top notch RPGs, its an aspect they need to beef up in DA3 to deliver on their original promise to make DA the spiritual successor to BG. And after the atrocity that was DA2, they need it desperately.

Dude, the only difference between DA:O enemies and DA2 enemies is an animation being done at the edge of the screen showing them running. It's just an animation. Gameplay-wise, it's pretty similar.

And the DA2 story and plot was much more interesting. I'd even argue that the characters were comparable to DA1.

but as for humor, in the earliest Warcraft games they had an amusing take on orcs and there was lots of little humor.

Same for Star Wars. Chewbacca is based on a dog, droids that beep and whistle are charming.

DA and ME lack those small little charming touches that star wars and warcraft have.
 

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ME is a little clinical. I think they do have a good base to build on. With some good writers, it would make an interesting TV show.
 

Todd33

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Dragon age is just generic fantasy stuff.

Mass Effect was Biowares attempt at making KOTOR without paying for the IP. It is very sterile and unimaginative in the end.
 

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ME is a little clinical. I think they do have a good base to build on. With some good writers, it would make an interesting TV show.

Considering most "epic" shows come to a crashing halt with poorly done endings, ME would make a perfect TV show.
 

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There were whispers of a Mass Effect MMO, I'd tend to believe thats years off, if at all.
 

mmntech

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I think they're making it a movie actually.

Games rarely translate into movies very well, especially when they try to recreate the same story with the same characters. TV works a bit better since its episodic and offers more freedom to flesh out stories as a result.

If I were directing a ME TV show, I wouldn't use the Shepard character.
 

micrometers

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Dragon age is just generic fantasy stuff.

Mass Effect was Biowares attempt at making KOTOR without paying for the IP. It is very sterile and unimaginative in the end.

Right. both universes seem to lack the spark that warcraft and star wars have. They both seem a little too clinical.

and I found Shepard to be very boring as a character.
 

kyrax12

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I like Dragon Age 1 and Mass Effect 1


I haven't finish dragon age 2 yet so I need to get on that but after playing through Dragon Age 1, I can say the only thing that really irks me is the... Fade portion of the game.

Mass effect was advertised as unique because it offer FPS with real RPG elements. I was like whoa!! Are you for real? And quickly got into Mass Effect because of the whole ordeal. I love that game and too bad ME 2 and ME3 have to change the RPG feel of it.
 

kyrax12

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Games rarely translate into movies very well, especially when they try to recreate the same story with the same characters. TV works a bit better since its episodic and offers more freedom to flesh out stories as a result.

If I were directing a ME TV show, I wouldn't use the Shepard character.

What would make a good plot for Mass Effect?
 

Fritzo

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Games rarely translate into movies very well, especially when they try to recreate the same story with the same characters. TV works a bit better since its episodic and offers more freedom to flesh out stories as a result.

If I were directing a ME TV show, I wouldn't use the Shepard character.

Here's the details:

http://www.ingame.msnbc.msn.com/tec...-movie-wont-be-based-mass-effect-games-120565

Legendary Entertainment — the production company behind films such as "Inception," "The Dark Knight" and "The Hangover" — hasn't revealed many details about the "Mass Effect" movie they've been working on since optioning the hit video game property last year.

But in recent days, a few details about the forthcoming film have been uncovered on the company's website where producers have posted answers to some questions that were tweeted to them (but went unanswered) when they chatted about the film during a Comic-Con panel this summer.

And some of what they've had to say about the video-game adaptation has been a bit ... surprising.

For starters, according to the Q & A on Legendary's website, they don't plan to base the film's story on the stories told in the two (soon-to-be three) games in the franchise.


BioWare
Actor Seth Green may play Joker in the games, but he won't play Joker in the movie.
Instead, "It will be a completely new story," they say.

Likewise, someone submitted a question asking if actor Seth Green will play Joker in the movie. (Green — who starred in the "Austin Powers" movies and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" TV series — is a fan favorite and the voice actor behind the mouthy "Mass Effect" pilot Joker.) Legendary had only a one-word answer for that casting question: "No."

Legendary goes on to say that the film will star the male Commander Shepard rather than the beloved FemShep (hardly a surprise) and that they can't say whether the movie — like the games — might become a trilogy.

"We are really focused on making this a great movie, so we'll see where it takes us. We have to get the first one right to know whether there will be more."

What do you think? Excited? Confused? I'm a little bit of both, to tell the truth. On the one hand, I'm an enormous fan of the work done on Legendary projects such as "Inception," "The Dark Knight" and "Watchmen," and can't help but hope Legendary might be able to translate this film to the big screen with similar intelligence and aplomb.

Still, it seems something of a startling choice to say that the "Mass Effect" movie story won't be based on the stories from the games. No, the sprawling space opera — which spans three epic games — could never be fully captured in a single film, but players have fallen in love with the well-told story of Commander Shepard and his mission to stop the alien machine race called the Reapers. So how does "a completely new story" makes sense?

And no Seth Green ... but ... why?

On the upside, Legendary reps say "we are working closely with BioWare on the development of this project." And surely BioWare intends to make sure its beloved property gets proper treatment.

At Comic-Con, Casey Hudson — "Mass Effect's" lead producer at BioWare — and screenwriter Mark Protosevich talked about the forthcoming movie, due to arrive in 2012. (You can watch the entire discussion via this shaky-cam YouTube video to catch up on everything they had to say.)

And it does sound like they're paying close attention to the source material.

"It's very exciting to look at all that great ("Mass Effect") material and then approach it from 'how can we make this into a great film?'" said Protosevich, who wrote the screenplays for "I Am Legend" and "The Cell."

And Hudson goes on to praise Legendary for making fantastic movies that are true to their subject material.

"Between Legendary and with Mark as our writer, I think we have the best people we can possibly have," he said.

Legendary has also acquired the film rights to the "World of Warcraft" and "Gears of War" franchises so it seems they are very interested in taking video games to the silver screen. Here's hoping they can do a better job of it than has been done in the past.