opinions on samsung 50" 720p plasma

MrDudeMan

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My wife and I are looking at getting a new TV for our bedroom. We have a Samsung 52" 1080P LCD in our TV room downstairs so this would not be our main TV in any way. We watch movies and play games on the one downstairs. I will be hooking up an xbox 360 slim arcade to this TV whenever it is released to be used as a secondary gaming console, but mostly as a media center extender.

I'm hoping someone can provide some insight for me. I've read quite a few reviews and people seem to be very happy with this TV. I am somewhat hesitant to buy a 720P TV this large. The viewing distance will be approximately 13.5'.

PN50C450

Thanks for any help you can offer.
 
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jtvang125

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At that distance it's going to be hard to tell the difference between 720 and 1080.
 

MrDudeMan

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At that distance it's going to be hard to tell the difference between 720 and 1080.

I was thinking that might be the case. I don't have any way to test it though. I'm also considering buying the 42" version of the TV instead of the 50" version, but I can't make up my mind.
 

smitbret

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At 13.5', I believe you are making the right choice. Unless you're a pixel peeper and actually know what to look for, you won't notice the difference between the 1080p and 720p. For $700-$800 there's probably not a better value out there. However, be conscious of the lighting in the room; the glare on it is something to be concerned about. Forget the 42" unless you really have a need to save a couple hundred bucks.
 

s44

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Remember, 42" 720p is not only smaller but lower-resolution: those have 10*7 rectangular pixels. 50" 720p plasmas are 13*7 square-pixel.
 

aclim

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me and my wife just bought this:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasoni...&skuId=9770484

Its perfect for our room. PQ is just fine for TV viewing. I just couldnt justify spending that much just because we watch very little TV in there. But no complaints so far...

I also plan on calibrating it ( I have a X rite eye one), so if I remember I can post back the before and after results if you are concerned.
 

MrDudeMan

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me and my wife just bought this:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasoni...&skuId=9770484

Its perfect for our room. PQ is just fine for TV viewing. I just couldnt justify spending that much just because we watch very little TV in there. But no complaints so far...

I also plan on calibrating it ( I have a X rite eye one), so if I remember I can post back the before and after results if you are concerned.

Thank you for your input. I think I'm starting to lean toward a 42" instead of 50" for the same reasons - we won't use it nearly as much and I don't want to even try to justify the expense.

Since it is comparable in price to the one you linked, what would be the reasons for choosing one over the other when considering this TV as well?
 

aclim

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Thank you for your input. I think I'm starting to lean toward a 42" instead of 50" for the same reasons - we won't use it nearly as much and I don't want to even try to justify the expense.

Since it is comparable in price to the one you linked, what would be the reasons for choosing one over the other when considering this TV as well?

Well im not sure how well read up you are on the different models and also the common gripes with Samsung plasmas..

Samsung plasmas, especially the mid to low end models tend to have a problem with a buzzing sound coming from the panel.

Panasonic plasmas have been considered the best plasmas since Pioneer left the game.

Honestly I would go with whatever you feel you want. Im not brand loyal by any means, but I would rather get the Panny (despite rising black levels) than take the chance and get a Samsung set that has a buzzing issue.

imo, hope that helps at all. If you want to do some research, head over to avsforums.com.
 

smitbret

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Well im not sure how well read up you are on the different models and also the common gripes with Samsung plasmas..

Samsung plasmas, especially the mid to low end models tend to have a problem with a buzzing sound coming from the panel.

Panasonic plasmas have been considered the best plasmas since Pioneer left the game.

Honestly I would go with whatever you feel you want. Im not brand loyal by any means, but I would rather get the Panny (despite rising black levels) than take the chance and get a Samsung set that has a buzzing issue.

imo, hope that helps at all. If you want to do some research, head over to avsforums.com.

And the Panasonics have rising black levels. LG has a lousy picture compared to Samsung and Panasonic. Sylvania LCDs are entirely powered by little artesians that die if you don't feed them daily, too.

But in all truth, plasma is a fairly mature television technology. It is literally difficult to purchase a bad plasma tv from Samsung or Panasonic. Glare and the list of features are the only real concern for the average consumer when it comes to plasma televisions. If you get a bad one, take it back and exchange it.

I know three people (besides myself) that have Samsung plasmas that were purchased in the last 24 months (two PNXXB550s, a PN50A450 and a PNXXB850). None of them have a buzz that's audible past about 12 inches. I know two people that have Panasonic plasmas that were purchased in the last 3 years. None of them have black level problems that are noticeable to the normal viewer.

My point being, every manufacturer puts out a bad set once in awhile. It shouldn't be strange that the same problems crop up from the same manufacturer. They are rare. Everybody complains when there is a problem, but they rarely speak up when it works as advertised. I don't know anyone that has had an unexpected problem with their HDTV in the last five years (DLP,plasma,LCD,whatever).

If you are 13 feet away from the tv, you won't notice the difference between 720p and 1080p unless you use it for a computer monitor. From that distance, the pixel size of a 42" plasma won't make a lick of difference either. I'm willing to bet that from 13 feet, 998 out of 1000 people couldn't tell the difference betweeen 720p and 1080p on a 50" plasma. Odds are that if someone is asking whether to get 720p or 1080p, they'll be one of the majority that won't be able to tell the difference. In fact, since Blu-Ray is almost the only mainstream way to get true 1080p, it's a moot point the majority of the time anyway.

Sorry to rant. I know the discussion is half the fun. I'm certain OP will be happy regardless of which tv he/she purchases. Just get the one that does what you want and looks good while doing it.
 

MrDudeMan

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And the Panasonics have rising black levels. LG has a lousy picture compared to Samsung and Panasonic. Sylvania LCDs are entirely powered by little artesians that die if you don't feed them daily, too.

But in all truth, plasma is a fairly mature television technology. It is literally difficult to purchase a bad plasma tv from Samsung or Panasonic. Glare and the list of features are the only real concern for the average consumer when it comes to plasma televisions. If you get a bad one, take it back and exchange it.

I know three people (besides myself) that have Samsung plasmas that were purchased in the last 24 months (two PNXXB550s, a PN50A450 and a PNXXB850). None of them have a buzz that's audible past about 12 inches. I know two people that have Panasonic plasmas that were purchased in the last 3 years. None of them have black level problems that are noticeable to the normal viewer.

My point being, every manufacturer puts out a bad set once in awhile. It shouldn't be strange that the same problems crop up from the same manufacturer. They are rare. Everybody complains when there is a problem, but they rarely speak up when it works as advertised. I don't know anyone that has had an unexpected problem with their HDTV in the last five years (DLP,plasma,LCD,whatever).

If you are 13 feet away from the tv, you won't notice the difference between 720p and 1080p unless you use it for a computer monitor. From that distance, the pixel size of a 42" plasma won't make a lick of difference either. I'm willing to bet that from 13 feet, 998 out of 1000 people couldn't tell the difference betweeen 720p and 1080p on a 50" plasma. Odds are that if someone is asking whether to get 720p or 1080p, they'll be one of the majority that won't be able to tell the difference. In fact, since Blu-Ray is almost the only mainstream way to get true 1080p, it's a moot point the majority of the time anyway.

Sorry to rant. I know the discussion is half the fun. I'm certain OP will be happy regardless of which tv he/she purchases. Just get the one that does what you want and looks good while doing it.

I appreciate your response. I'm actually a pretty technical person, but I asked my question like I was essentially ignorant to hopefully draw out some responses like this. I downloaded some calculators for viewing distance vs. resolution, but the results are still academic regardless of what it tells you. I wanted to hear some real, honest opinions from people who have more experience. I was very picky about my media room/tv room TV, but my whole objective here is to get an inexpensive but good quality TV for occasional use.

I think what I've decided to do after hearing multiple opinions in this thread is get the Samsung from a local Best Buy since it is the most inexpensive and that is a quasi-important factor here. If it has a buzzing issue it should be easy enough to exchange compared to if I bought it on Amazon. I will not have a BR player attached to this TV and it will never be used as a computer monitor.

I'll update this thread with my experiences after I buy the TV, which will hopefully be tomorrow. Thanks everyone for your input.
 

Gibson486

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I am getting the 42 inch one this week. We were gonna get a panny 1080p 42 incher (629 with blu-ray player if you used a sears card), but my gf was really iffy about the rising blacks.

The 42 inch version cost $500.....that is a marvel of a price....

From what I read, the only issues with this TV series is the some sets having a buzzing issue and the screen is not really anti reflective.
 

Naeeldar

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I am getting the 42 inch one this week. We were gonna get a panny 1080p 42 incher (629 with blu-ray player if you used a sears card), but my gf was really iffy about the rising blacks.

The 42 inch version cost $500.....that is a marvel of a price....

From what I read, the only issues with this TV series is the some sets having a buzzing issue and the screen is not really anti reflective.

I have 65S1 and I had a 42pzu I think. Honestly the anti-glare is better on plasma these days then people would believe. I haven't found it to be an issue outside of sunset when the sun is pointing directly on the Plasma through the windows and it's the type of light at that time of day.

As for buzzing I'm not aware of any issues of Panasonics buzzing that's traditionally a Samsung issue. And the rising blacks I wouldn't worry about because the people that do experience it seem to get black levels that are about equal to Samsung or LG plasmas.

You'll be happy with this purchase and if you did get rising blakc levels it would still have better levels then your current LCD.
 

kalrith

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I sit 9' from a 50" 720p TV (Pioneer 5080), and it looks great. From 13.5' away from a 50" TV, you won't notice the difference between 720p and 1080p unless you have bionic eyes.
 

BigSmooth

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I have a PN50A450 and I am happy with it. Great picture for the price, IMO. Good blacks and very vivid colors. There is a long thread on AVS and there are a few people that have had some problems such as buzzing or red bleeding on the right side, but I have not had any major problems with mine. The screen is indeed pretty reflective but I knew that going in.

The only issue I have is some minor green "sparkles" in dark areas, especially when a bright image is followed by the dark one. I can mitigate this by messing with the settings (mostly just turning the brightness down), but I can't make it go away completely. This developed maybe 6 months in and hasn't gotten any worse since then. It's not terribly noticeable at normal viewing distances so I don't worry about it too much.
 

MrDudeMan

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So what'd you decide, MrDudeman?

I went to the store and I was going to buy the 42" Samsung, but then I decided against it (I thought I may have been making an impulse buy) and went home. However, after several days of staring at TVs in Best Buy, I decided I would get either the 42" or 50" Samsung wherever I could find the best deal. The next day (yesterday) I visited several stores and the last one (Ultimate Electronics) didn't have the 50" model, but they did have the Panasonic TCP50C2 for a great deal. My wife told me I was being a pansy for wanting to save money and get the Samsung 42" so naturally I bought the Panasonic 50", which is what she obviously wanted all along.

I haven't even had a chance to hook it up yet since I am shuffling furniture and TVs around the house. I moved my old 42" plasma (Daewoo DP42SM circa 2003 - total POS) into the loft and the Panasonic will be replacing it in my bedroom. I'll post some pics tomorrow once I've got it all setup.
 

MrDudeMan

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Your wife wanted the bigger set! Lucky man.

She is convinced I manipulated her into getting the 50", but it's actually the other way around this time.

Old TV (moved it into the loft):
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New TV (seconds after hanging it...plastic strips still on the bezel):
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It didn't occur to me how much we need to decorate until looking at those pictures. In our defense, we haven't lived here very long. :)

Thanks everyone for all of the advice. TV, media center, Xbox...everything looks fantastic. We couldn't be happier especially considering the price.
 

smitbret

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Looking at your room layout, I'm glad you went with the Panasonic. It'll handle the glare from those windows much better than the Samsung would have. You made a great choice. You'll love it.
 

MrDudeMan

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Looking at your room layout, I'm glad you went with the Panasonic. It'll handle the glare from those windows much better than the Samsung would have. You made a great choice. You'll love it.

Yeah, I think it is handling the window glare pretty well. You can't see them in the picture, but there are 4 windows immediately to the right of the TV. So far so good!

that wall needs a 65..


jk :p

Great bang for the buck tv there!

Haha yeah, I would love to get a 65".
 

aclim

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nice. I have the 42" version in the bedroom and its fantastic. Make sure to run it in cinema mode(only way for the 600hz sub) Also turn sharpness down to around 15. Im about to calibrate the bedroom tv. Ill post my settings incase you want to try
 

MrDudeMan

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nice. I have the 42" version in the bedroom and its fantastic. Make sure to run it in cinema mode(only way for the 600hz sub) Also turn sharpness down to around 15. Im about to calibrate the bedroom tv. Ill post my settings incase you want to try

Yeah I would be interested in your settings. The TV doesn't look great on any of the settings except cinema imo. Maybe calibrating it will change that.